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Man Overboard 
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 Posted: April 05 2005 at 15:30 |
My problem is that as a dedicated progger who's loved Steve Walsh and
Magellan for as long as I can remember (my memory only goes back 6
years  ), I'm still going to buy this stuff anyway, DRM or not.
But it would be nice if Trent or anyone else involved could at least
review the complaints instead of immediately assuming we're out to
steal his money. I already made an unprotected set of MP3s from
the album, it doesn't take a genius. I'm still not going to
distribute them.
And dammit, info on the Walsh album? 
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The-Bullet
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Posted: April 05 2005 at 16:39 |
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Maybe I'm missing something here, and apologies if I am. But what is the audio quality of these tracks ?. wma doesn't have the best of reputations, and not just because of the entangled security devices.
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Man Overboard
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Posted: April 05 2005 at 16:43 |
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The quality's fine. Not CD quality, but it's encoded at 192kb/s,
which is a bit better than the other pay-for-music online services.
But once you burn it, then re-rip it, to get MP3s... there's a noticable quality drop.
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Wrath_of_Ninian
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Posted: April 05 2005 at 17:20 |
 Garion81 wrote:
[QUOTE=Wrath_of_Ninian]
To be perfectly honest, I am quite happy with the way I discover music through reading reviews written by people who care, and through listening to sample TRACKS (not 45 sec samples - what would your sample be for Close To The Edge? Or Tubular Bells? Supper's Ready?)
I have to say this method of discovery will remain the same, as will my purchase of such music through legitimate means.
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With no Radio airplay how do you expect to hear them? As for buying sample tracks(which is what I am guessing Muse is doing) I would rather buy satellite radio which would at least give you a variety of music for a very low monthly price by comparison. I have purchased many copies of many records and CD 's over the years. For my favorite bands i have purchased multiple copies of the same package Ie Album, First CD release, Digital master Release, Digital Master release with bonus tracks etc.
Sorry Garion, not really sure what you are getting at there. What I meant was that I discover new music by listening to FREE sample tracks off Progarchives and reading the reviews of the albums. I've been introduced to numerous new acts through these means, and have gone on to purchase many CDs (most recently Paatos and Genesis) which I now cherish. From what I gather, Muse-wrap offer 45-second samples of certain songs as a taster, and I was merely suggesting (as others did before me) that for prog rock music this is a nonsense. I'm a bit worried that the new 'partnership' will see the end of Progarchives free samples in favour of Muse-Wrap's new pay-as-you-go system.
By the way, you can listen to prog digital stations via Progarchives too - no need to buy a digital radio. Just download Realplayer for free and log on. They're pretty good too.
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tuxon
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Posted: April 05 2005 at 17:26 |
As I understand it, you can purchase downloads, without any packaging, with less quality and you are not able to (immediatly) do with the music what you want?
sounds like a bad deal to me.
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Garion81
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Posted: April 05 2005 at 17:39 |
Wrath_of_Ninian wrote:
Garion81 wrote:
[QUOTE=Wrath_of_Ninian]
To be perfectly honest, I am quite happy with the way I discover music through reading reviews written by people who care, and through listening to sample TRACKS (not 45 sec samples - what would your sample be for Close To The Edge? Or Tubular Bells? Supper's Ready?)
I have to say this method of discovery will remain the same, as will my purchase of such music through legitimate means.
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With no Radio airplay how do you expect to hear them? As for buying sample tracks(which is what I am guessing Muse is doing) I would rather buy satellite radio which would at least give you a variety of music for a very low monthly price by comparison. I have purchased many copies of many records and CD 's over the years. For my favorite bands i have purchased multiple copies of the same package Ie Album, First CD release, Digital master Release, Digital Master release with bonus tracks etc.
Sorry Garion, not really sure what you are getting at there. What I meant was that I discover new music by listening to FREE sample tracks off Progarchives and reading the reviews of the albums. I've been introduced to numerous new acts through these means, and have gone on to purchase many CDs (most recently Paatos and Genesis) which I now cherish. From what I gather, Muse-wrap offer 45-second samples of certain songs as a taster, and I was merely suggesting (as others did before me) that for prog rock music this is a nonsense. I'm a bit worried that the new 'partnership' will see the end of Progarchives free samples in favour of Muse-Wrap's new pay-as-you-go system.
By the way, you can listen to prog digital stations via Progarchives too - no need to buy a digital radio. Just download Realplayer for free and log on. They're pretty good too.
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Well I was agreeing with you on one hand and putting down the concept of paying for preview tracks on the other as it sounded like Muse was/is doing. Your comment on the colaboration is valid along the same line. I just didn't articulate the thought properly. 
I know about prog radio but you need to be near a computer to hear it (Streaming media is blocked at work). I spend more time in my car where satellite radio would be an advantage.
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garrett
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Posted: April 05 2005 at 18:41 |
James Lee wrote:
Is Magellan even any good? It's hard to believe someone who thinks like that could be responsible for music of any quality.
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Though everyone has different tastes, check out the following musicians who thought Trent Gardner of Magellan was worth working with:
DREAM THEATER, (all members except Jordan Rudess)
Terry Bozzio (Frank Zappa, UK, etc, etc.)
Kerry Livgren (Kansas, Proto-Kaw)
Steve Walsh (Kansas)
Billy Sheehan (Mr. Big, Talas, Niacin)
Marty Friedman (Megadeth)
Steve Howe (Yes)
Virgil Donati (Steve Vai, Planet X)
James Murphy (Testament, Death)
Gary Wehrkamp (Shadow Gallery)
D.C. Cooper (Royal Hunt)
Bret Douglas (Cairo)
Derek Sherinian (former Dream Theater)
Pat Mastelotto (King Crimson)
Billy Greer (Kansas)
John Wetton (Asia, UK)
Michele Young (Glass Hammer, etc.)
Peter Banks (Genesis)
Geoff Downes (Yes, Asia)
Terry Brown (Rush producer)
The list goes on...
The above collaborations are facts, not opinions. Love Magellan or not, Trent G. must have something going for him.
Signed,
His mother...
Edited by garrett
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Man Overboard
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Posted: April 05 2005 at 19:02 |
garrett wrote:
Signed,
His mother...
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BigBoss
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Posted: May 16 2005 at 12:33 |
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Check out www.mindawn.com - it came out before muse-wrapped and unlike muse-wrapped is still in business. We currently have a bent for prog and are signing up prog labels and artists left and right, Musea just joined the fold today and more are coming all the time. There are some really important distinguishing characteristics to Mindawn that no other system provides:
* NO DRM
* Works on Linux, Mac and Windows
* Provides actual lossless, CD quality audio (not nearly, but real CD quality)
* You can use that to convert to any format you want or burn a CD, so any portable device is supported in that regard
* Listen to any song, in full, up to 3 times in high fidelity to see if you want to buy it. No low rez 30 second samples.
* System is open to anyone, costs $50 to open an account and you are selling just as soon as you can rip and upload your material.
Currently there is about 3,000 songs, a good amount of rare or out of print material is in there as well. We're focusing on getting as much original content as possible right now. Come and check it out, we have FAQ's there that explain everything too.
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reboot
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Posted: May 27 2005 at 20:33 |
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Hi.New one here but long time Kansas(Walsh) Fan.U know what? And i don't really care about all these new "Songs Protected Gizzmo" as i don't do any Music piracy.When an artist like Mr Wash Lauching an album, i for myself just " BUY IT" and 'what will be will be'.Come on! F G"$$'d SAKES! These guys deserved all of it! My 2cents worth.
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Man Overboard
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Posted: May 27 2005 at 20:43 |
reboot wrote:
Hi.New one here but long time Kansas(Walsh) Fan.U know
what? And i don't really care about all these new "Songs Protected
Gizzmo" as i don't do any Music piracy.When an artist like Mr Wash
Lauching an album, i for myself just " BUY IT" and 'what will be will
be'.Come on! F G"$$'d SAKES! These guys deserved all of it! My
2cents worth. |
Have you been paying attention to the thread? Don't be a stupid
f***. This isn't about piracy, and I DO NOT APPRECIATE being
treated like it is. It's about the right to listen to the music
how we want to. I wanna listen to it on my MP3 CD player, in my
car. I want to do it with the copy I buy. If it's
copy-protect, that will make it where I can't easily do that.
Ever hear of the Fair Use Act? As long as I'm not infringing upon
the artist's copyrights, which that wouldn't do, I'm LEGALLY ALLOWED TO
DO IT. I wanna punch you in the face, I don't run across
ignorance like yours every day.
God, get some reading comprehension skills before you go and accuse
someone. I've been a long-time Walsh fan myself, I've purchased
just about everything he's ever done, often twice or even thrice in
some cases.
Maybe the artist, in this case, Steve Walsh, will get more money if so
much of it wasn't going towards copy-protection. Prick.
Edited by Man Overboard
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James Lee
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Posted: May 27 2005 at 21:02 |
BTW: is muse-wrapped really out of business (as the other vendor claimed)? The website says some BS about "offline while we continue our evolution".
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Posted: May 28 2005 at 05:43 |
garrett wrote:
As you see I'm new here. I first found Muse-Wrapped cuz I'm a huuuuge Walsh fan. One googling lead to another and viola, I found prog-archives as well. Both sites are killer IMHO and the forum here rocks.
I'll be bach!
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