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Dick Heath
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Topic: Jazz Fusion: ambiguity in the term's use? Posted: July 12 2007 at 09:37 |
Jazz Fusion One of the first uses of the term jazz fusion dates back to the early 60's. I think my own reference is from 1965/6 and the Joe Harriott & John Mayer’s Double Quintet Indo-Jazz Fusion - the fusion here was of British post bop and raga, - which would certainly set the precedent for the likes of Hellborg/Lane's ‘Icon’s inclusion in this branch of jazz fusion: i.e. Indo-jazz fusion. Then there is the fusion in the same period of Larry Coryell et al’s Free Spirits employing free jazz and early rock (or considering the date, might even be called pop). It is worth noting that Joe Boyd in his excellent autobiography White Bicycles, suggested rock first appeared at the Newport Jazz Festival in 1964 when Dylan walked on stage and performed his form of folk with members of Paul Butterfield's Blues Band. I don’t think one should neglect the fact that mainstream jazzers had long dabbled with pop and were quick to do so with rock e.g. Herbie Mann, (even) Ella Fitzgerald. (In passing, ever heard Ella’s version of Bruce/Brown’s Sunshine of Your Love”sung with a handful of incorrect lyrics printed in the
I recently read a review with interest of the Led Zeppelin DVD, How The West…, which specifically commented on a Jimmy Page solo, recorded at an early 70’s gig in London’s Royal Albert Hall. The relatively insightful critic suggested some of Page’s soloing was similar to what McLaughlin would be doing some 18 months later with Mahavishnu Orchestra. But then remember musicians in Cream or Grateful Dead jammed and jazzed already, inevitably others followed and/or freely experiment. The first time I banged into jazz rock was hearing Tony Williams Lifetime’s Turn It Over soon after its Until some thought and precision were applied, the term jazz rock was bandied about without any exact definitions c 1969/70. I think initially the pundits were writing claims that jazz rock was played by those jazz groups that were using the rhythms of rock and the amplification of rock bands. However, the term rock jazz was also used briefly and maybe even before, and for those groups that had long solo jazz breaks in otherwise solid rock tunes – and this term would be applied quite often to early brass rock groups, e.g. BST, Chicago.
Later through the first half of the 70's, there were those bands who's members had moved from rock into jazz rock, i.e. Brand X and Isotope (out of Stomu Yasmash’ta, Genesis, Brian Auger, Quatermass), then Bruford – while Gong lost its dippy hippy ideals to become a jazz rock band under Pierre Mourlen. Soft Machine were undergoing endless personnel changes during the period. Colosseum 2 evolved out of the heavy rock played by jazzmen, i.e. Tempest. In parallel, jazz funk was developing rapidly out of Miles Davis's music and bands, eventually to gain greater popularity than jazz rock, e.g. through Herbie Hancock, Stanley Clarke.
1. First hand experience by listening to jazz rock and many other forms of jazz fusion music from 1966 and talking through ideas with many others. There have been endless debates in the last decade on web-based jazz rock forums, allowing me to bounce ideas off fans and professional musicians, so often refining a lot of my original ideas. hopefully with greater preciseness? For instance, I have discussed this with drummer Steve Smith through a long series of private correspondence, and he listed in his essential jazz rock ingredients: he included bebop and swing amongst the other, many more obvious elements. We agreed to differ as to King Crimson’s jazz credentials, but I think a subsequent release Live At Denver 1972, revealed Krimson’s ability to play jazz as well as jam, e.g. on Pharaoh Saunder’s God Has Revealed A Masterplan. I also readily quote Steve Smith’s take on Jan Gabarek’s free jazz sax with the plainchant of the Hilliard Ensemble: he called this monk jazz, (indeed another sub-genre to add to that in jazz fusion) 2. Reading many books on the subject, in particular Stuart Nicholson's Jazz Rock A History. 3. More recently reading Nicholson's follow-up: Is Jazz Dead Or Has It Moved To A New Address, the central thesis of which deals with the static-ness of mainstream Edited by Dick Heath - July 14 2007 at 15:48 |
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Easy Livin
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Posted: July 12 2007 at 12:35 |
Nice piece Dick, very interesting.
As its not one of my favoured genres, I don't know much about the music. I tend to think of jazz and fusion as being two separate but related genres though, which are combined on this site (and elsewhere) for convenience.
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Padraic
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Posted: July 12 2007 at 12:50 |
This was a great, informative, and interesting contribution Dick, and I thank you for it.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: July 14 2007 at 12:51 |
I've had two goes at polishing my original "essay" - the second one is now pasted in at the start of this thread. Hopefully the typos are now reduced to zero, whilst you might find a few additional facts and comments included
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progismylife
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Posted: July 14 2007 at 12:57 |
Very interesting. Good job Dick.
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glass house
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Posted: July 14 2007 at 13:19 |
A very interesting and good read Mr. Heath. |
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Sean Trane
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Posted: July 17 2007 at 08:36 |
Bravo Monsieur Richard Heath!!
Although I must say I rarely hear the words jazz fusion, but rather fusion by itself
I fully agree about the time Jazz Rock stopped and fusion starts. I state that in a few reviews of mine. But this remains blurry!! Although I think of Gong's late 70's albums as JR instead of JF (this is less the case for Brand X though). To me RTF is more JF, and WR's first albums are JR, but once Pastorius is in the group they become JF
I missed the Jazz Britania series and no doubt I would've jumped at someone referring to jazz rock as early as 63. This was supposed to be Rhythm'n Blues groups, let alone pre-70 being JR and post-70 being JF.
As for Timebox, is this Deram Cd collection the small boxset called Legend of a mind, or is it something else? Cos I'd like to hear more of Timebox.
And if I agree about Bitches Brew being more of a jazz-funk than a jazz rock albvum, I must say that Nucleus' first two albums are the defining statement of jazz rock
As for Indo/jazz fusion starting out in 85, where does Oregon fit in with this theory? Edited by Sean Trane - July 19 2007 at 09:26 |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Dick Heath
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Posted: July 19 2007 at 17:57 |
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A B Negative
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Posted: December 19 2007 at 06:19 |
I think it's better than Cream's version!
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muhamad dlai
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Posted: December 29 2007 at 18:00 |
the term for me is redundant. Fusion itself is a vast, deep of connotative of a blend of other generes or styles.... as you reviewed extensively, thanx for that...
adding jazz to the term just emphasises on a heavier improvisative music that´s not jazz... but is not properly "rock" at all... is not jazz... jazzy improvisation and musicianship makes fusion my very favorite kind of music... but is not only a rock blend... world music, latin, arabic, indian and other regional music generes enter into this blend too... the richness of this genere is to deep to just call fusion to an specific blend...
here in my country, people call fusion to danceable music with rock. it sux.... but is A fusion, term is well used.. but badly asociated when i refer to masters like cobham or DiMeola... then, using the redundancy of jazz is NEEDED.
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