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    Posted: March 16 2007 at 10:55
If have been trying to get in to Zeuhl but i am not sure with weach album to start, should i start with Magma? cause Live has amazing reviews, is there something like a standar album for this genre (like dark side of the moon for space rock)?
Zeuhl its like avantgarde with jazzier influence and operatic vocals, right?
Thanks for your Future help.Big%20smile
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Magma is a very good start for Zeuhl.

I recommend particularly MDK, Live and Kohntarkosz


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Magma: I would seriously advice to start by their first album. If it doesn't kill you, you should try Mekanik Destruktiw Komandoh, the "Retrospektiw I & II" album (avoid the III), Their second and their last.
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I've always thought that the best starting place for Magma is Udu Wudu.  For some reason I just think that is the most accessible.
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People say Udu Wudu is the best Magma album to start with.  It wasn't hard for me to get into at all, but then again 1001 and MDK weren't either.  Go for 1001 Centigrades if you like jazzier prog and MDK if you're more into avant music.  Besides these three albums, I also own Retrospektiw III which is great (the Zeuhl gospel piece is very silly but I like it a lot, Hhai is amazing!, and La Dawotsen is a short, nice lighter piece), but I would suggest not starting with it.
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Eskaton's "4 Visions" would be an easier starting point to be honest

starting with Udu Wudu is easy enough but gives you the wrong idea
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I was particularly fond of Dun, when I first heard them

There are a few modern examples, alot from Japan.
[QUOTE=darkshade] [QUOTE=Sckxyss]
I'm disappointed - neither of these players are avant-garde!

Al di Meola.

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haha i know. but the poll itself is avant-garde
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DUN - Eros,start with this,its the most avant-garde oriented Zeuhl album ,its the easier one to savour .
 
 


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Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

Eskaton's "4 Visions" would be an easier starting point to be honest

starting with Udu Wudu is easy enough but gives you the wrong idea
 
Fully agree with this recommendation - Magma was a bit difficult for me at the start, and, probably only after "4 Visions" I've fallen totally in love with the subgenre
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I am downloading 1001º from magma cause i think jazzier stuff is more accesible...
really thank u....
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I'd recommend MDK to start, because the jazzier stuff is less representative of Zeuhl.  

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Originally posted by eugene eugene wrote:

Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

Eskaton's "4 Visions" would be an easier starting point to be honest

starting with Udu Wudu is easy enough but gives you the wrong idea
 
Fully agree with this recommendation - Magma was a bit difficult for me at the start, and, probably only after "4 Visions" I've fallen totally in love with the subgenre

I agree as well. I'm not a very good reviewer, but feel free to see what I think of them:

ESKATON — 4 Visions

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4%20stars For those of you who couldn't get into Zeuhl the first time around...

Eskaton's 4 Visions is one of the easiest album to get into when talking about the Zeuhl genre. If you didn't like the repetitiveness of Magma, the darkness of Shub-Niggurath or just think that the Zeuhl sound is too weird for your taste then this is the band for you.

Let's start with their sound. This band is one of the grooviest (if not the grooviest) band I've heard from the genre and its all thanks to the excellent bass player, André Bernardi. His furious, pompous and groovy playing will keep you hooked from start to finish and it's virtually impossible not to move or dance while listening to this album. The vocals are very typical from the genre with two female vocals singing and chanting in French, they don't get as harsh as the vocals in Magma's MDK though. The rest of the band are pretty much in the same caliber without anyone showing off. Their sound reminds me a lot to that of their fellow English men from the 70's era. Even though they have three players on the keys, but they aren't a keyboard driven band. As typical from Zeuhl bands, the leading force is the drum and bass players so expect excellent rhythm sections through the whole album. Their songs are fairly long all between the 8 to 13 minutes, but they don't drag along or try to bore you. Every song is full of energy and life with catchy yet complex melodies and skillful playing. Also, their sound isn't really "out there" or adventurous at all so it's very melodic, bombastic and accessible even for new comers into the prog genre.

I can't recall any bad moments in the album or any drawbacks at all and it's consistent all the way through. I highly recommend this album for every single prog fan out there specially for fans of the bombastic and pompous side of prog and for those who don't enjoy the Zeuhl genre, this album might possibly change your minds about the genre. I'm too picky with my 5 star albums so I'm going to give it 4.5



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Go with Udu Wudu, Jannik Topps bass is at his most interesting, its still an extremly weird album but more accessible, it was my first by them and Charley records have a far cheaper print of it than 7th records so its a good place to start and much more inexpensive so if you don't like zeuhl you havn't blown a fortune on something like MDK which is twice the price.



  
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Well...considering you like bungle a lot you should start with ruins.
 
Or maybe Koenjihyakkei.
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Points: 65 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2007 at 16:52
Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

Go with Udu Wudu, Jannik Topps bass is at his most interesting, its still an extremly weird album but more accessible, it was my first by them and Charley records have a far cheaper print of it than 7th records so its a good place to start and much more inexpensive so if you don't like zeuhl you havn't blown a fortune on something like MDK which is twice the price.


Great, i love bass players, and like weird stuff Big%20smile
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Points: 6419 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2007 at 17:22
Eskaton's Ardeur is perhaps an even better starting point than 4 Visions, in my opinion. If you like Jazziness, check out Zao (not the Metalcore band) and Potemkine.
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For Magma I would start with 'Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh (.M.D.K.)' This is very Jazz influence. Vander himself stated MDK is to him what 'A Love Supreme' was to Coltrane.

For an easier start (which a lot of people have said here already), '4 visions' would suit nicely.

I can also second 'Angherr Shisspa' by KOENJIHYAKKEI, which suprisingly easy on the ears. I would amuse also have have listen to Bordems, so the Noisy (punk influenced) complexity of 'Ruins' could be worth your while (thought technically I don't really see them as zeuhl).

p.s. if you are looking to go a little deeper into the genre, have a read through the Zeuhl 5 thread; a lot of good information in there.

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Let's not forget Zao and Koenjihaakaahidajslad. I can never remember how to spell that name.
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Originally posted by BroSpence BroSpence wrote:

Let's not forget Zao and Koenjihaakaahidajslad. I can never remember how to spell that name.


LOL It's tricky indeed! Great recommendation anyway.

I have Angherr Shisspa, which I think is wonderful. I haven't had the opportunity to hear the others though.


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Originally posted by Philéas Philéas wrote:

Originally posted by BroSpence BroSpence wrote:

Let's not forget Zao and Koenjihaakaahidajslad. I can never remember how to spell that name.


LOL It's tricky indeed! Great recommendation anyway.

I have Angherr Shisspa, which I think is wonderful. I haven't had the opportunity to hear the others though.
 
I have a friend who can never pronounce the name as it isLOL, Agherr Shisspa is a greeat album, though i wouldn`t recommend it as a starting point.

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