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Points: 83 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2006 at 21:47
or they could just get rid of the poll in general so there's nothing to complain about. no more "i cant believe CTTTE is fourth, or ha, now SEBTP is first, or "i declare war on people who dont want dark side to be number one" or whatever.
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They need two lists, one for CD`s (keep it the same as it is) and another for each bands average (A band can only be mentioned on this list once and its based on culminating the entire body of work they have done then working out the average % they scored from their reviewer CD ratings. This will allow a fairer over view of many more other worthy bands that tend to get buried down the bottom , keep it as still a top 100 just like is done with the CD list.     

The idea behind this concept is to try and implement a system that works in a symbiosis , so one can keep the other in check

Hope it helps



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Points: 21596 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2006 at 01:48

Originally posted by Hierophant Hierophant wrote:


Exactly my point. People need to stop blaming the "system" and start doing something about it. Your favorite obscure bands not getting any recognition? Make threads about them. Share what you know.


 I did more than creating threads ... I created my own music website.

And there I will add charts that are like BaldFriede suggested. These are the charts that I will implement:

  • Best Band (judged by their best album)
  • Best Band (judged by their 2 best albums)
  • Best Band (judged by their 3 best albums)

Those lists will be much more useful for finding new bands for advanced listeners than the current list. Of course the classic "best album" list is useful too ... it's nice to look at and it's a good start for newbies. But as soon as you "drill down" to the genre lists the "best album" approach is not really useful anymore, because the top positions are simply clogged with the numerous albums of the established genre "giants" with 5 or more albums from each artist.
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Points: 21596 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2006 at 01:51
Originally posted by White Feather White Feather wrote:

They need two lists, one for CD`s (keep it the same as it is) and another for each bands average (A band can only be mentioned on this list once and its based on culminating the entire body of work they have done then working out the average % they scored from their reviewer CD ratings. This will allow a fairer over view of many more other worthy bands that tend to get buried down the bottom , keep it as still a top 100 just like is done with the CD list.     

The idea behind this concept is to try and implement a system that works in a symbiosis , so one can keep the other in check

Hope it helps

That  systen has one small problem: Bands which had a "hot phase" of creativity and only produced mediocre albums afterwards would be seriously punished. I think that only the best albums of a band should be considered when calculating the average.
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HOW ABOUT TO MAKE ''THE TOP 1000000000000000000000 ALBUNS''SO EVERYBODY PUT THEIR FAVORITES ONES AND THEM COMPLAINT THAT CLOSE TO THE EDGE SHOULD BE AT FIRST PLACE
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Originally posted by martinprog77 martinprog77 wrote:

HOW ABOUT TO MAKE ''THE TOP 1000000000000000000000 ALBUNS''SO EVERYBODY PUT THEIR FAVORITES ONES AND THEM COMPLAINT THAT CLOSE TO THE EDGE SHOULD BE AT FIRST PLACE


is that a rhetorical question?

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Points: 415 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2006 at 02:33
A list of best prog bands would be interesting, me thinks. Just to see which bands are most popular on this site.
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A Top 100 albums is pointless anyway.There should be a top ten overall then a top ten by different categories and then lastly a top twenty by artist overall.This would be a lot more interesting IMO.The problem with the Top 100 is not the top 10 or so which generally doesn't change but the bottom 10 or 20 which changes all the time and so is meaningless.
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Originally posted by Hierophant Hierophant wrote:

Originally posted by The Ryan The Ryan wrote:


the Top 100, but there are a billion ways to figure out about those artists. I spent some time going through the entire site (as much as I could), but if an album doesn't have the ratings to climb why should it be there? If I can find what I want (which is very often more obscure than the Top 100 list) why can't other people?

People need to quit making threads about Genesis, ELP, Rush, and YES and start exposing more obscure bands that NEED to be exposed. There are plenty of "advanced" listeners on this site who just aren't sharing their knowledge with others. This is why we have 1000 threads about whether or not Genesis was overrated or how new bands "can never be like the old ones" because we talk about the SAME FOUR BANDS OVER AND OVER AGAIN

Ha, Jean and I have been doing this all the time; but does it lead to anything? As long as there is no change in perception too it will not lead to anything. We have started dozens of threads about artists and records that we think should get more recognition, with the sad result that usually we don't get any response to them at all. Maybe a different top 100 list might change that.


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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2006 at 03:06
I know I have tried to start threads about lesser discussed artists (Nucleus for example), and I just got responses from the same three people. I think people are more prone to reply to something they know something about, pretty obvious. I'm not sure if a revised top 100 list would increase discussions of these lesser known or discussed artists, but I don't think it would do any harm to be sure.

By the way, I was thinking about starting a thread about the German Sky label, should I anticipate responses or not???  I guess it's worth a try anyways.
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Points: 10266 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2006 at 03:54
I personally did not like the records of the Sky-label very much, but that's just my personal taste. But go ahead and post something about it; I promise I will respond, and not in a totally negative way.


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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2006 at 04:15
I strongly disagree with the proposal.
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Points: 12625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2006 at 05:07

Originally posted by Hierophant Hierophant wrote:



People need to quit making threads about Genesis, ELP, Rush, and YES and start exposing more obscure bands that NEED to be exposed. There are plenty of "advanced" listeners on this site who just aren't sharing their knowledge with others. This is why we have 1000 threads about whether or not Genesis was overrated or how new bands "can never be like the old ones" because we talk about the SAME FOUR BANDS OVER AND OVER AGAIN


Yes there a re many threads like that and I simply ignore them and go into more interesting or relevant ones.

That is also whay I made up a thread for this kind of thing (I Recommend... ).

Plus there I have made a list of very good threads focusing on the non-mainstream prog. It is not a full and conclusive list, but it is a start. Some of you might have already seen it. Here it is:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19836& amp; amp; amp; amp; amp;FID=42 - French

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17840& amp; amp; amp; amp; amp;PN=1 - Spanish

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7256&a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;PN=3 - Belgium (RIO/Avantgarde)

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19821& amp; amp; amp; amp; amp;PN=1 - Scandinavia

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18860& amp; amp; amp; amp; amp;PN=2 - Prog Videos on the net

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19749& amp; amp; amp; amp;FID=3 - German Folk Prog

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20015& amp; amp; amp;PN=1 - Russian prog

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20019& amp; amp; amp;PN=2 - Hungarian prog

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19927& amp; amp; amp;PN=1 - Japanese prog

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=19985& amp; amp; amp;KW=US+ US prog

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=20104& amp; amp; amp;KW=italian

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18490& amp; amp; amp;KW=italian

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17371& amp; amp; amp;KW=italian

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17066& amp; amp; amp;KW=italian
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Points: 71 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2006 at 09:42
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by White Feather White Feather wrote:

They need two lists, one for CD`s (keep it the same as it is) and another for each bands average (A band can only be mentioned on this list once and its based on culminating the entire body of work they have done then working out the average % they scored from their reviewer CD ratings. This will allow a fairer over view of many more other worthy bands that tend to get buried down the bottom , keep it as still a top 100 just like is done with the CD list.     

The idea behind this concept is to try and implement a system that works in a symbiosis , so one can keep the other in check

Hope it helps

That  systen has one small problem: Bands which had a "hot phase" of creativity and only produced mediocre albums afterwards would be seriously punished. I think that only the best albums of a band should be considered when calculating the average.

One thing I highly regard when I evaluate a prog band is how consistent they are, this is so important and should be rewarded, I believe 

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