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I doubt that Anderson made any 'obvious decision' that you assert. Tull actually stuck with prog longer than many other artists from that era. Eventually they all went the same way. I've seen a lot of opinion in general that artists were chasing radio airplay towards the back end of the 1970's but mostly it came from a sense that change was in the air. Many of these guys were still in their twenties or early thirties and raising families. Prog was a commercial enterprise in 1972 but by 1977 it was being rounded on by critics. I don't blame anyone for changing horses at that time and trying to justify their choice. Ultimately music has to change to evolve but the MTV culture of the 80's nearly killed it altogether. It was only stopped from happening because the public still wanted the classic rock and prog of the early to mid seventies and not the fake producer lead crap that was being peddled. Musicians woke up to this and took control back. That's as I see it.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I doubt that Anderson made any 'obvious decision' that you assert. Tull actually stuck with prog longer than many other artists from that era. 
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In the end, when comparing the FM radio of the 70's, and I was there with Guy Guden as my roommate for most of it, by the mid 70's I had gone COMPLETELY into the imports and a lot of things that came out, just were not as valuable or important, and I felt that Ian had gone for the "songs" and the far out stuff he did that was different was kinda left behind, in my book. Guess what? The European bands had not exactly forgotten much and they continued with a lot of far out stuff, that was more interesting, and less "familiar" to our ears ... I think that I was already leaning towards the NEW MUSIC from elsewhere, and that a lot of things that were being done by the "major" bands, had already gone ... and now, it was a new day, and a new sound, and a new band.

I like Ian and his work ... it's just that I would rather  spend my money on some Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze, Ange, PFM, Banco, at the time, than another Jethro Tull album ... to me his material just was not as special anymore ... still good ... but I had already gone to the other side of the commercial sound, and I never fell for the MTV (later) or the "classic" bs ... because it was all the same ... we needed something new, and that's where I was.

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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Eventually they all went the same way. I've seen a lot of opinion in general that artists were chasing radio airplay towards the back end of the 1970's but mostly it came from a sense that change was in the air. Many of these guys were still in their twenties or early thirties and raising families. 
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I beg to differ a wee bit ... though we're close to the same words. FM radio in America, by 1980 had all been bought out, and changed ... so yeah ... all the new music we had for 10/15 years was GONE. Of course there had to be a change ... what was there before was gone. The freedom to play something else not on the lists of some megalomaniac, was totally gone, as the DJ's no longer had any control over music choices ... which Guy's station in Santa Barbara DID for many years until it was sold to a corporate raider (Texaco I think!), it immediately changed to having to play what was defined and marked as "hit".

In many ways, what I call the Great American Corporate Rape of Radio, forced musicians to ... now what, and yeah, they all had families like we did! But some didn't give in all the way ... and even having Daevid Allen and some others to meet and greet and talk ... was enough to show how it had to go ... they were not going to stop playing or making music. (Daevid spent his time in SB with friends, and did the Divided Alien thing by himself and tapes)

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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It was only stopped from happening because the public still wanted the classic rock and prog of the early to mid seventies and not the fake producer lead crap that was being peddled. 
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The public had no choice. The main issue is that no one fought the FCC and the Corporate Raids. Same ting in LA with KMET ... they fired everyone, and opened up in the morning as a new age station ... the subtext was that the big stations in LA had lost a huge case against many of the local bands that wanted airplay ... and rather than give in, the owners of the station (Metromedia had the other station KLOS) put up a finger to these bands ... the corporate folks were not going to be told what they had to play!

The "public" did not choose "classical rock" ... per se ... but it was what was given along with the pre-defined materials to play ... this is often said to be the time that "progressive music" died ... because it lost the one way that they were presented to the public ... and radio has never been the same, specially since the FCC decided that one conglomerate could own more than one station in any market ... there would be two stations in LA playing the same thing, the same tapes, with the timing being the only change.

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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Musicians woke up to this and took control back. That's as I see it.

I feel that musicians begun taking control back with the Internet and in the 1990's, and it was very clear and obvious when bands like Porcupine Tree and Marillion and just a wee bit later Dream Theater and others were able to carve their own identity ... and it helped define the new way for many ... but not without a fight from the corporate standard ... you still did not have these on the FM radio dials, although a station or two (one here in Portland) played a lot of ROCK music that was getting a lot of attention, and that included things like Metallica for example.

Musicians, often had more control than they knew, but everyone kept thinking that they had to wait for their "break" which was someone to show up at the door with a bucket of cash ... which didn't happen ... but when PT, DT and Marillion started selling those cassettes and getting attention, the corporate folks showed up ... with a distribution deal ... that was to make sure the albums/cassettes/CD's got to various places for public consumption. But the upside for the record companies was that they would not be spending money on studios and as much promotion, though if something sold big, they were on it right away ... they had nothing to lose.

The Firesign Theater (comedy), was near us, and Guy knows more about this than I do, but one of their friends from the early days, kept telling them to go independent ... and not sign anything to a record company, but they never did, I presume, because the easy check was easier to take home, that hoping that something sold. And this was around mid 70's I think .... and I wonder if he already foresaw that the corporate raids were going to happen and very quickly ... but no one was prepared for it ... 

Today ... it's another story ... and things keep on changing ... the sad one being that so much of the material that we hear is so similar to each other, as to make listening a lot of stuff really ... not boring ... but you end up wondering ... can anyone do something else? something new? ... and not repeat the same formulas?

PS: Reminds me of a turkey company that bought the ISP that I did tech support for, and someone asked about  AT&T ... and he was an AT&T technician on the upper level ... at that time things were broken up per law, and what did he say? Just a little more time ... we'll have even more! Guess what the record companies keep trying to do? BUT, I think they are doing so because the number of "players" are bigger, and thus it seems like they are "winning" the battle ... in essence, they probably aren't, but the IRS had no jurisdiction on the massively huge corporate houses in America. (And now the Supreme Court is taking more of the Government off these large companies ... this time oil!!!) These corporations will continue to do what they want and wish ... and a band has no chance, unless they take immediate control!


Edited by moshkito - July 21 2024 at 08:22
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Just remix the drum machine so the snare isn’t tinny and the bass drum is quieter.
The bass guitar is too quiet too. I can do my own remix if Wilson doesn’t
All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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