Forum Home Forum Home > Other music related lounges > Proto-Prog and Prog-Related Lounge
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - The NEW (old) ASIA ???
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

The NEW (old) ASIA ???
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <12
Author
Message
  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
Cristi View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Crossover / Prog Metal Teams

Joined: July 27 2006
Location: wonderland
Status: Offline
Points: 43518 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2022 at 12:54
Originally posted by Heart of the Matter Heart of the Matter wrote:

Surely Aqua is not their best (rather far from it), but in Silent Nation I think they shine, and Payne's singing is part of it (no competitor for Wetton, anyway, but who can fit that shoes?)

I agree, Silent nation was such a good album, getting good reviews, I was surprised, if not a bit shocked Downes dissolved that line up out of the blue. 
Back to Top
richardh View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: February 18 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 27956 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2022 at 03:22
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Heart of the Matter Heart of the Matter wrote:

Surely Aqua is not their best (rather far from it), but in Silent Nation I think they shine, and Payne's singing is part of it (no competitor for Wetton, anyway, but who can fit that shoes?)

I agree, Silent nation was such a good album, getting good reviews, I was surprised, if not a bit shocked Downes dissolved that line up out of the blue. 

I'm not an expert but I guess he had a chance to get the original line up together again and that was too big an opportunity to miss . I saw one of the reunion gigs at Shepherds Bush Empire in London and it was packed to the rafters. Would the Payne line up have delivered that?
Back to Top
Cristi View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Crossover / Prog Metal Teams

Joined: July 27 2006
Location: wonderland
Status: Offline
Points: 43518 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2022 at 03:31
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Heart of the Matter Heart of the Matter wrote:

Surely Aqua is not their best (rather far from it), but in Silent Nation I think they shine, and Payne's singing is part of it (no competitor for Wetton, anyway, but who can fit that shoes?)

I agree, Silent nation was such a good album, getting good reviews, I was surprised, if not a bit shocked Downes dissolved that line up out of the blue. 

I'm not an expert but I guess he had a chance to get the original line up together again and that was too big an opportunity to miss . I saw one of the reunion gigs at Shepherds Bush Empire in London and it was packed to the rafters. Would the Payne line up have delivered that?

I don't know TBH, but that's not the issue here. It's not what he did (reunite with the old line up), it's how he did it. 
Back to Top
altaeria View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: March 05 2004
Location: Philadelphia
Status: Offline
Points: 178 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote altaeria Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2022 at 12:57

Apparently, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal, their singer since 2019, has decided to stop playing live shows due to covid concerns (or something like that).   

So this is why Marc Bonilla suddenly got involved.   

I always wondered why they never approached Robert Berry.   Granted, maybe they did at some point and it just wasn't a fit for all parties involved.    
Back to Top
altaeria View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: March 05 2004
Location: Philadelphia
Status: Offline
Points: 178 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote altaeria Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2022 at 13:04
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I agree, Silent nation was such a good album, getting good reviews, I was surprised, if not a bit shocked Downes dissolved that line up out of the blue. 
I'm not an expert but I guess he had a chance to get the original line up together again and that was too big an opportunity to miss . I saw one of the reunion gigs at Shepherds Bush Empire in London and it was packed to the rafters. Would the Payne line up have delivered that?

Back during that SILENT NATION tour across the USA, Geoff Downes posted a public blog about those shows... and many venues were tiny little clubs with disappointing attendance.   I remember he blatantly commented that he "needs to reassess the entire situation after the tour".   It all sounded quite bleak at the time.      
Back to Top
Jared View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May 06 2005
Location: Hereford, UK
Status: Offline
Points: 19214 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jared Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2022 at 13:36
Originally posted by altaeria altaeria wrote:

Back during that SILENT NATION tour across the USA, Geoff Downes posted a public blog about those shows... and many venues were tiny little clubs with disappointing attendance.   I remember he blatantly commented that he "needs to reassess the entire situation after the tour".   It all sounded quite bleak at the time.     

I remember catching them on the Aura tour back in 2000 and was told by a member of their crew that the situation was the same... I think the only time they got to play in front of a decent audiences was when they supported Kansas in Germany (I saw them in Hamburg)...
Back to Top
Cristi View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Crossover / Prog Metal Teams

Joined: July 27 2006
Location: wonderland
Status: Offline
Points: 43518 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2022 at 13:46
Originally posted by altaeria altaeria wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I agree, Silent nation was such a good album, getting good reviews, I was surprised, if not a bit shocked Downes dissolved that line up out of the blue. 
I'm not an expert but I guess he had a chance to get the original line up together again and that was too big an opportunity to miss . I saw one of the reunion gigs at Shepherds Bush Empire in London and it was packed to the rafters. Would the Payne line up have delivered that?

Back during that SILENT NATION tour across the USA, Geoff Downes posted a public blog about those shows... and many venues were tiny little clubs with disappointing attendance.   I remember he blatantly commented that he "needs to reassess the entire situation after the tour".   It all sounded quite bleak at the time.      



You gotta learn to quote properly, mine is only the first sentence. 

Asia had a bigger audience in Europe and Japan. 
Did the original Asia reunited get a big audience in the US? I still have my doubts. 

Like I said, it's how he did that was shocking, one day he's in one line-up, the next he was with the other. The Payne line-up was in shock from what I read, especially John Payne, the whole thing was painful for him. 
Back to Top
altaeria View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: March 05 2004
Location: Philadelphia
Status: Offline
Points: 178 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote altaeria Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2022 at 15:33
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

You gotta learn to quote properly, mine is only the first sentence. 

Asia had a bigger audience in Europe and Japan. 
Did the original Asia reunited get a big audience in the US? I still have my doubts. 

Like I said, it's how he did that was shocking, one day he's in one line-up, the next he was with the other. The Payne line-up was in shock from what I read, especially John Payne, the whole thing was painful for him. 


Ah, but it's like a Re-Tweet ...... Once you quote it, it becomes your problem too !   Ouch

And, yes, the Original Asia reunion shows did very well in the US.  
They didn't play huge arenas, but the tours were actually profitable.  

 




Edited by altaeria - February 07 2022 at 15:34
Back to Top
Cristi View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Crossover / Prog Metal Teams

Joined: July 27 2006
Location: wonderland
Status: Offline
Points: 43518 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2022 at 15:39
Originally posted by altaeria altaeria wrote:


Ah, but it's like a Re-Tweet ...... Once you quote it, it becomes your problem too !   Ouch

And, yes, the Original Asia reunion shows did very well in the US.  
They didn't play huge arenas, but the tours were actually profitable.  

 

no, it's not like are-tweet, you did not quote it right, you made a bad edit. 

I was talking about the bad break-up of the Payne line-up, you were talking about concerts and tours, two different things. I understand why Downes did it, I just found rather appalling how he did it. 
Back to Top
richardh View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: February 18 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 27956 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2022 at 04:48
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by altaeria altaeria wrote:


Ah, but it's like a Re-Tweet ...... Once you quote it, it becomes your problem too !   Ouch

And, yes, the Original Asia reunion shows did very well in the US.  
They didn't play huge arenas, but the tours were actually profitable.  

 

no, it's not like are-tweet, you did not quote it right, you made a bad edit. 

I was talking about the bad break-up of the Payne line-up, you were talking about concerts and tours, two different things. I understand why Downes did it, I just found rather appalling how he did it. 

Really?! Asia was never formed for artistic reasons or to achieve 'high art'. It was a commercial money making machine and not much else. The fact that Payne was upset when he never had anything to do with the original line up must mean he's quite a fragile character. Tagging along with other peoples creations can often lead to nowhere.

When Cozy Powell was unceremoniously dumped out of ELP to allow Palmer back in without any warning he can't have been happy either. The whole ELP/Yes/Asia axis through the 80's and beyond became very very much about money and not having any real reason to exist.

IMO
Back to Top
Cristi View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Crossover / Prog Metal Teams

Joined: July 27 2006
Location: wonderland
Status: Offline
Points: 43518 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2022 at 05:00
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by altaeria altaeria wrote:


Ah, but it's like a Re-Tweet ...... Once you quote it, it becomes your problem too !   Ouch

And, yes, the Original Asia reunion shows did very well in the US.  
They didn't play huge arenas, but the tours were actually profitable.  

 

no, it's not like are-tweet, you did not quote it right, you made a bad edit. 

I was talking about the bad break-up of the Payne line-up, you were talking about concerts and tours, two different things. I understand why Downes did it, I just found rather appalling how he did it. 

Really?! Asia was never formed for artistic reasons or to achieve 'high art'. It was a commercial money making machine and not much else. The fact that Payne was upset when he never had anything to do with the original line up must mean he's quite a fragile character. Tagging along with other peoples creations can often lead to nowhere.

When Cozy Powell was unceremoniously dumped out of ELP to allow Palmer back in without any warning he can't have been happy either. The whole ELP/Yes/Asia axis through the 80's and beyond became very very much about money and not having any real reason to exist.

IMO


He did not tag along. Payne was Downes partner for 15 years, they did 5 albums together. Downes sacked that line-up out of the blue. Maybe he did reunite the original Asia for money, I'm not judging, what was shocking, even for me as a listener of their music, was how easy he got rid of his partnership with John Payne, like it was nothing. 
Back to Top
richardh View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: February 18 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 27956 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2022 at 02:30
^ Well I'm not sure that 2 different versions of the band could possibly exist so I'm not sure what Downes could have done differently? I doubt it was 'nothing' and of course we have no idea of the relationship/music dynamic between the two of them. A band is not a family but if it was then the original members would be the blood relatives as I see it.
Back to Top
Cristi View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Crossover / Prog Metal Teams

Joined: July 27 2006
Location: wonderland
Status: Offline
Points: 43518 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2022 at 02:47
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ Well I'm not sure that 2 different versions of the band could possibly exist

They have existed since the split happened. Payne has the right to play Asia's music, especially the songs he co-wrote. Asia featuring John Payne has released a few singles, an EP and an album. 

John Payne is also in a band called Dukes of the Orient. After the Asia split, he formed a project called GPS (Govan-Payne-Schellen plus help from Spock's Beard keybordist Ryo Okumoto), decent album, continued the sound of last Asia album back then, Silent Nation. 


Edited by Cristi - February 11 2022 at 02:47
Back to Top
verslibre View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 01 2004
Location: CA
Status: Offline
Points: 17068 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2022 at 10:19
Is there really speculation as to why the original Asia line-up reunited, and Downes left Payne in the dust!?

MONEY. LOL
eBay
Back to Top
verslibre View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 01 2004
Location: CA
Status: Offline
Points: 17068 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2022 at 10:25
Originally posted by altaeria altaeria wrote:

Back during that SILENT NATION tour across the USA, Geoff Downes posted a public blog about those shows... and many venues were tiny little clubs with disappointing attendance.   I remember he blatantly commented that he "needs to reassess the entire situation after the tour".   It all sounded quite bleak at the time.

"Tiny little clubs"...and bookstores! I read Geoff & John played to handfuls of people in a few Barnes & Noble or Borders on the east coast. That couldn't have been a morale booster. LOL
eBay
Back to Top
Rottenprogger View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: February 13 2021
Location: Canada
Status: Online
Points: 246 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rottenprogger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 11 2022 at 21:15
"Buy a book and get a free ticket to a riveting in-store performance by ASIA!" 

"On second thought I don't really need to read the latest Dean Koontz after all." 
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <12

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.648 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.