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years and years ago I was under the impression that Queen were a heavy metal band.
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I used to be under the impression that both Supertramp and The Bee Gees were American 
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"Girl bands & boy bands suck." I'm eating my words big-time these days, after discovering amazing K-Pop bands, singles, and producers over the last month or so that I quite love. I mean, I'm well-hooked, like, it's all I'm listening to these days. All of my assumptions and misconceptions have been thrown out the window. What's so exciting about K-Pop - or at least, the stuff I can't get enough of (which seems to be at least 5 songs per year, every year going back to about 2009), is how much the music can turn on a dime within a 3 minute pop song. K-Pop, seemingly so accessible, can be quite avant-garde, post-modern, experimental, and musically adventurous in the way it plays with genres (electro, synthpop, hip-hop, shibuya-kei, bubblegum, EDM and dubstep, etc.). Even though it's futuristic, it's usually optimistic, unlike Western pop music these days, which is often dystopian.

Granted, most of it's not to my taste, but I've found enough of it, and keep discovering more, that really brightens my days and keeps me excited about music being made today.

Whenever one builds up hype for something, people are almost always disappointed, but keeping this in mind, these are some of the tunes that got me into it and opened up a new world for me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7_lSP8Vc3o&list=PLYsvSaANzpR-8TOjMcOWNa24HhMyd4cgw&index=1


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Originally posted by Cambus741 Cambus741 wrote:

I used to be under the impression that both Supertramp and The Bee Gees were American 
Supertramp is 1/5th american if we consider the classic line-up as drummer Robert is american by birth, funnily enough, bouth Roger, Rick and Dougie Thompson have obtained american citizenship, perhaps also mrs John Halliwel, so now they canbe called american sort-of
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That F sharp and G flat are the same note.

I found out around the age of 10 that they are not. It's just that in tempered tuning they are harmonized so that they can be played with the same key on a keyboard instrument, or on the same fret on a guitar etc. But on principle, tempered tuning is a little bit out of tune.
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Originally posted by Cambus741 Cambus741 wrote:

years and years ago I was under the impression that Queen were a heavy metal band.
i once assumed the same about the Grateful Dead due to their skull graphics.
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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

That F sharp and G flat are the same note. I found out around the age of 10 that they are not. It's just that in tempered tuning they are harmonized so that they can be played with the same key on a keyboard instrument, or on the same fret on a guitar etc. But on principle, tempered tuning is a little bit out of tune.

Mind blown. I honestly didn't believe you and had to dig a bit, and even though others are saying the same thing, I still have trouble wrapping my head around it. So is it only those two notes, F# & Gb? Like, are A# and Bb the same? Or C# and Db? Because a piece I read implied it's only F# & Gb...?


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Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

Originally posted by Cambus741 Cambus741 wrote:

years and years ago I was under the impression that Queen were a heavy metal band.
i once assumed the same about the Grateful Dead due to their skull graphics.
early Queen pre Night o the opera is quite heavy almost proto heavy metal, so not a to wrong train of thought.
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Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:

Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

That F sharp and G flat are the same note. I found out around the age of 10 that they are not. It's just that in tempered tuning they are harmonized so that they can be played with the same key on a keyboard instrument, or on the same fret on a guitar etc. But on principle, tempered tuning is a little bit out of tune.

Mind blown. I honestly didn't believe you and had to dig a bit, and even though others are saying the same thing, I still have trouble wrapping my head around it. So is it only those two notes, F# & Gb? Like, are A# and Bb the same? Or C# and Db? Because a piece I read implied it's only F# & Gb...?


It goes for C# and Db as well. And for D# and Eb, B# and C, E# and F, Cb and B, and so on.

Before equal temperament became standard, several other keyboard tunings were used (f.e. the quarter-comma meantone which was common in the 1500 and 1600 years), and they of course limited the possibilities of key changes and harmonic excesses). Bach's Das Wohltemperierte Klavier (The Well-Tempered Clavier) is only possible with equal temperament.
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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

Before equal temperament became standard, several other keyboard tunings were used (f.e. the quarter-comma meantone which was common in the 1500 and 1600 years), and they of course limited the possibilities of key changes and harmonic excesses). Bach's Das Wohltemperierte Klavier (The Well-Tempered Clavier) is only possible with equal temperament.

I never knew this. I found some interesting stuff on Youtube demonstrating it, like this.
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Mind blown.  I have difficulty reproducing ragas like Thodi on a keyboard and I can sort of see why.
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Mind blown.  I have difficulty reproducing ragas like Thodi on a keyboard and I can sort of see why.


I think Indian ragas often use microintervals (quarter notes and things like that), so that is partly a different issue.

Blue notes count as microintervals too btw.
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Getting Geddy Lee's gender wrong (and seriously annoying an avid Rush fan at school!)
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