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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mellotronwave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2024 at 15:01
It makes me laugh, i did not read all the posts but the whole debate looks like an argument before a judge...
Whatever the label, what matters is that their music pleases..

Edited by mellotronwave - January 22 2024 at 15:23
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote earlyprog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2024 at 16:15
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

if I were on the Neo-Prog team, after listening to the material, if I thought it was PA worthy, I would bring it to the team and mention the issue. There have been many cases where an act that was deemed not suitable before was later approved by the same team. I suggested one before with such a case, and in the end the team decided to have another look (this was years after it had been rejected) and approved it. Admin was fine with that too. Especially if it's a unanimous vote, then I think there should be no problem.

As I stated above, it's crossover to my ears. Alas, I won't bring it back to the neo team as it won't get approved by our team unless Keishiro changes his vote. 

The Last Detail is prog and belong in PA, IMO but it's crossover not neo prog. Keishiro voted move from neo (to...crossover?) and I would do the same, so I guess that's a majority for a move to crossover (?) with the current team. So I suppose I can, no I will, alert Keishiro and ask for his advice.
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^ Exactly.
Originally posted by DamoXt7942 (Posted: 10 August 2011) DamoXt7942 (Posted: 10 August 2011) wrote:

Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

The Last Detail, late 80's/early 90's band with one CD and one EP to their name. I have managed to get hold of the latter for eval. 
A bit something of mainstream I've felt via their EP ... "MOVE (to Crossover)"
I don't know why they were rejected but if it's OK for Crossover Team to re-eval them, they could be passed to Crossover?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote suitkees Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2024 at 16:53
Well, all this only shows how ridiculous all these procedures are: if Ywis and Timelock are Neo (and not Crossover), then The Last Detail could only be Neo (which they are, historically and generically speaking). But I conclude that PA prefers procedures over factuality and consistency. I can only repeat myself by concluding that this is utterly ridiculous and very amateurish. Bravo! It is the last word I will spend about this: Bravo!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote earlyprog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2024 at 17:03
^suitkees, you present yourself as being more knowledgeable in neo than the neo evaluation team, so please present your case for Neo without the ridicoulus "If X are in Neo, then The Last Detail should be there"...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote earlyprog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2024 at 17:19
^and now present your case to convince the majority of the current neo team NOT to vote Move to crossover but accept in Neo? your bio hasn't convinced the neo team to accept the band simply because they sound/are crossover not neo to our ears. Your bio won't make up for that.

Why would you stubbornly declare The Last Detail neo and not accept them as crossover?!!


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote suitkees Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2024 at 17:31
If listening to the music of these three bands is not enough, then I can not do anything more than what I've done and I won't do anything more than that. It's up to PA to prefer inconsistency over accuracy.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote earlyprog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2024 at 17:40
^on the contrary, PA prefers consistency i.e. accuracy. The evaluation teams are here to provide quality control on genre additions. Over time, you will understand that The Last Detail are crossover and not neo. After all, based on your joining date, you seem relatively new to prog and how PA defines the genres.
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No prob Dan. I've added them to Crossover Charts.

Anyway this re-evaluation is based on unanimous approvals by Admins.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote yam yam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2024 at 21:11
It looks to me as though the previous evaluation was based solely on their EP, which Olav (Windhawk) had found. I'm assuming this EP would be 'The Wrong Century' (1991), which had just four tracks, and the only one which was anywhere near Neo Prog would be the opening track of the same name. The other three tracks are a mix of AOR & Crossover Prog to my ears. However upon listening to the 22 track compilation 'At Last... the Tale and Other Stories' on Spotify tonight, it seems the band put out plenty of other material that certainly sounds like Neo Prog to me. At least we will get a definite conclusion one way or the other in the fullness of time, now that a fresh evaluation is under way, and as long as they get added to the site in one or other of the two subs, does it really matter which one it actually is?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote suitkees Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2024 at 07:50
^ It doesn't matter if a) PA wants to practice historical revisionism and b) create an inconsistency with the two directly related bands. But, apparently, I know nothing about prog, because I joined PA in 2020... Ermm 
It's up to those in charge.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote yam yam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2024 at 10:09
It won't be the first time that there has been disagreement over sub genres here, and it won't be the last. I personally think that far too much importance is attached to sub genres on PA, since they are really intended to indicate to visitors to the site what the music might actually sound like, but many artists change their style as they develop over the years anyway, so some albums inevitably won't fit the overall category that the artist was originally allocated to, since the site only allows one sub genre per artist.

Three 'yes' votes already in Crossover anyway, so we are now just waiting for one more 'yes' vote for the band to be officially cleared by one of the Special Collaborators in the team, and then added. I expect the band will be in the archives very soon. Smile


Edited by yam yam - January 13 2024 at 16:23
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote octopus-4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 22 2024 at 14:53
"many artists change their style"  
I think this may be one of the reasons why Vangelis is in Prog related. He has crossed almost all the subgenres during his career. Probably only Indo-Raga was left behind.
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