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    Posted: July 10 2016 at 19:53
Interesting article with some photos.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/artists/roger-waters-how-a-war-veteran-led-the-pink-floyd-star-to-the-ex/
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Points: 65701 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 10 2016 at 20:03
Wow, what a story.   Good for him, though one wonders had it not happened would we've gotten such incredible albums?   The pain, loss, resentment, lack of resolution, all surely made him the artist he became.   BTW he looks better now than in his 20s & 30s.  

Well deserved, Roge, cheers!
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I really appreciate you sharing this Jim. I've always had a lot of empathy towards Roger knowing his story even if he was a tyrant in the band during The Wall sessions. I still can't through "The Final Cut" without getting tears in my eyes, it's such a meaningful album for me. 
Hopefully now he will have some peace and can let go of some things.
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I remember hearing the title track to Wish You Were Here and, while the song is usually associated with Syd, I've always suspected that the line "did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage" was a reference to Rog's old man.
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Thanks for sharing this article.

I never knew the story about Roger's father.
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Originally posted by KingCrInuYasha KingCrInuYasha wrote:

I remember hearing the title track to Wish You Were Here and, while the song is usually associated with Syd, I've always suspected that the line "did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage" was a reference to Rog's old man.

Interesting, I usually associate that line with Waters himself.  It was the remaining band members that really got caged, seems to me.




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A very moving piece.  Thanks for sharing this.  I think that it will certainly be a big help to Roger.
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Hi,

I like Roger's work a lot, but I find this part to be personal and not something that should be marked in the media simply because he is famous. There are millions and millions of people that lost their lives in many places, and one spot in France, still takes the cake for that award, but it is not a sentiment that can be shared with others, as it is personal.

If this is a way for Roger to help some folks get benefits they have never gotten, I can understand this and appreciate it, otherwise, I, personally, do not think this is "news" for many people the world over ... and no one, other than one movie by Kurosawa, sees how many people visit Hiroshima, because they lost someone because of a bomb. 

I've enjoyed Roger's work for a long time, but I think that it has gone a bit ... out there for me. Gee, I should be holding up a candle in the wind for my own father that died to cancer!
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Points: 24673 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 11 2016 at 08:44
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

I like Roger's work a lot, but I find this part to be personal and not something that should be marked in the media simply because he is famous. There are millions and millions of people that lost their lives in many places, and one spot in France, still takes the cake for that award, but it is not a sentiment that can be shared with others, as it is personal.

If this is a way for Roger to help some folks get benefits they have never gotten, I can understand this and appreciate it, otherwise, I, personally, do not think this is "news" for many people the world over ... and no one, other than one movie by Kurosawa, sees how many people visit Hiroshima, because they lost someone because of a bomb. 

I've enjoyed Roger's work for a long time, but I think that it has gone a bit ... out there for me. Gee, I should be holding up a candle in the wind for my own father that died to cancer!

It it personal indeed, but this famous man has been digesting the premature loss of his father in public for some 36 years. I liked this read more than his tarnishing performances as the spokesman of the BDS movement.
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Thanks, Jim, for sharing.
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Points: 1789 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2016 at 13:01
Originally posted by Matthew _Gill Matthew _Gill wrote:

Got his Mother's looks. 

LOLYes he did, very striking how similar.


Thanks Jim for posting, very cool.
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Points: 2223 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 14 2016 at 14:21
It's an interesting article. However, I find both Rogers' reaction to his father's death and the way this article presented it as a bit over the top.  Yes, it's incredibly sad that his father died in the war, but many people had their fathers die in that war without turning it into a life-time obsession or characterizing it as "the black hole that had swallowed up all Waters’s nights since he was a child."
 
My husband's father was taken prisoner in the fall of Singapore, and suffered years of torture and watching many of his friends die. He finally committed suicide in 1968, after years of putting his family through hell.  He was a deeply damaged individual as a result of his experiences, and the family had to come to terms with it and move on, which they all did.
 
I understand defining life moments as a catalyst for art, but Waters' wallowing in his own suffering was just insufferable and self-indulgent, as if he was the only one impacted by the conflict. If you are still trying to achieve closure over 70 years later, perhaps you should have spent some of the intervening time in therapy instead.
 
Just my opinion, so please don't rake me over the coals for it. My family and I spent this weekend scattering my sister's and mother's ashes, so perhaps I'm not feeling as charitable towards Waters' issues as I might be otherwise.


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Points: 18164 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2016 at 13:55
Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

 
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I understand defining life moments as a catalyst for art, but Waters' wallowing in his own suffering was just insufferable and self-indulgent, as if he was the only one impacted by the conflict. If you are still trying to achieve closure over 70 years later, perhaps you should have spent some of the intervening time in therapy instead.
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My only concern with it is the constant push and continuous exposure of it, which in some cases is probably good for those involved and still alive, but in general, most of them consider it a closed book, and time for something else.

I had a friend of a friend, that was in VietNam for a couple of tours, and his take on the whole thing when we went to see "Apocalypse Now" film? "That's lollipop crap compared to the real thing!" 

So the reactions, are understandable, but I would like to ask Roger why ... 

Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

 
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Just my opinion, so please don't rake me over the coals for it. My family and I spent this weekend scattering my sister's and mother's ashes, so perhaps I'm not feeling as charitable towards Waters' issues as I might be otherwise.

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