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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Online Points: 18808 |
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"Parallels" and "Awaken" are two of Yes' finest songs, no debate required.
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Online Points: 18808 |
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One thing to keep in mind is how much Emerson adapted (whether you want to say "plagiarized" is up to you) to a rock context for ELP. Some of this material was credited to the original composer, some it was solely credited to ELP, like Janacek's "Sinfonietta" for "Knife Edge." Other composers Emerson adapted or "borrowed" from are Ginastera, Bartok, Copland, Bach, and so on. Apart from Mussorgsky, I was unaware of this when I first started listening to ELP. After I learned of it, I was still alright with it, it didn't intervene in my enjoyment of the music to any degree. I do have to admit being slightly disappointed when I learned Emerson didn't write the keyboard melody that anchors "Touch and Go," though.
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terramystic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 02 2005 Status: Offline Points: 781 |
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Yes, he did this a lot. Wakeman composed more original pieces BUT I think Emerson's original compositions surpass Wakeman's. |
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Online Points: 18808 |
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Wakeman had to share the spotlight with three other writers in Yes. ELP is by and large the "Keith Emerson Show," except where they made room for Greg's ballads. IMO, Emerson never recorded anything under his own name that can match Wakeman's Six Wives of Henry VIII or Criminal Record (which I think is even better).
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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My favorite keyboarder is this:
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![]() A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
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Guldbamsen ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23104 |
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^Well she looks a great deal more interesting than Wakeman and Emerson
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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Want to hear her play? Go here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsW3V4rrRsw She goes into solo flight at about 5:50 Edited by BaldJean - August 01 2015 at 14:16 |
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![]() A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Online Points: 18808 |
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^I love Barbara Dennerlein! She is literally Hot Stuff.
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Rednight ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 18 2014 Location: Mar Vista, CA Status: Offline Points: 4812 |
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I'm on pins and needles. |
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"It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno
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RockHound ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 03 2013 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 664 |
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Ah, this brings back the nostalgia of the Emerson vs. Wakeman pissing contest of the '70s. ELP and Yes fans were locked in mortal combat over which keyboardist was better, even though most loved both, and the media got to fan the flames. This was part of what propelled these bands to such grand heights, and it was always a fun topic of discussion. Being a fine pair of gentlemen, however, Emerson and Wakeman stayed far above the fray and were more than happy to bask in the limelight.
Comparing the two keyboardists is really a case of apples and oranges - they are both top-flight virtuosos, but each has a completely different style. Wakeman was amazing to see solo during the mid '70s - his playing was so fluid and effortless, and the jokes and stories he told between pieces were a blast. Emerson was something completely different - controlled chaos, a Moog modular wired to blow, and that poor abused organ that got tossed all over the stage. Those were fun days, indeed, and each left me with vivid memories of their performances that I expect will stick with me for the rest of my life.
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SquonkHunter ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 22 2013 Location: Texas, by God! Status: Offline Points: 339 |
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Exactly. Two very talented musicians with two very different styles. About the only thing their playing had in common were the keyboards. Loved them both then and still do today. |
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Dellinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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I'm afraid I know very little solo Emerson (only the one with Mark Bonilla, which I did enjoy), so I couldn't really compare his solo career with any of Wakeman albums... however, I do like those two Wakeman albums (and a few other's too) over any ELP album. |
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Online Points: 18808 |
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![]() Sorry about that. 1984 The Burning G'olé! The Family Album Night Airs (solo piano) Wakeman with Wakeman The Heritage Suite (solo piano) No Expense Spared (2nd Wakeman with Wakeman album) Official Bootleg Live (W w/ W live) The Piano Album Themes White Rock II Out There Revisited Retro Retro 2 Six Wives of Henry VIII Live at Hampton Court Palace
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terramystic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 02 2005 Status: Offline Points: 781 |
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I don't know most of Wakeman's albums but I've listened to the ones that are supposed to be the best. For example Six Wives is good but for me nothing comes close to Tarkus, Endless Enigma, Karn Evil or even Piano Concerto (a great achievement for a rock musician). |
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Online Points: 18808 |
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I understand and respect your opinion. I was mainly comparing solo works with solo works, as opposed to their bands. Yes and ELP both recorded such incredible music. The 1970s were an amazing time. Keith and Rick have recorded and released great music after the '70s, too. I think their film music is underrated. At the very least, Inferno and G'olé! deserve a listen. It's been said that Rick couldn't play "a blue note" if his life depended on it, while Emerson has been stuck in a rut for decades. People say many things, but all I know is that "Close to the Edge," "Gates of Delirium," "Awaken," "The Endless Enigma," "Tarkus" and "Karn Evil 9," among others, were so bar-raising, so trail-blazing, it's no wonder they sound as vital today, four decades later.
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Dellinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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From the songs you listed, the only one I actually like is Tarkus, and that one might be at the level of the music on Six Wives... but on that album, I like just about all of the music recorded, and the song Tarkus has that ridiculous middle section that just breaks the flow of great music for me. |
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terramystic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 02 2005 Status: Offline Points: 781 |
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Then I agree. |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29684 |
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That organ 'popping' was one of the things that excited me about ELP at first. SO original and only a very gifted organist could pull that off imo However that section was smoothed out somewhat on the live version from the triple album and in fact just about all the live versions I've heard. I guess Emerson may have come to the same conclusion. Back on the general subject ELP was Emersons band while Yes clearly wasn't Wakemans. I think this made a massive difference to the creative output where Emerson was able to express himself fully in ELP while Wakeman did it as a solo artist. I must admit Six Wives shocked me when I first heard it (because it was so good) and I've always wondered what Emerson thought of that album. Wakeman did steel Emerson's thunder but then future solo album never quite hit that level again (again imo). I would however favourably compare Judas Iscariot to Piano Concerto No 1 , both being highly accomplished classical works by super talented rock musicians. I wonder where can you go from there?
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20671 |
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The parts I like by both on keyboards with ELP -Emerson and Wakeman - Yes...I like Emerson better ,but he was much more in the front in his 3 piece band.
I think ultimately Wakeman shined on his earlier solo work which Emerson never seemed to achieve.
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Dellinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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I would put Myths and Legends, at least, at the same level as 6 Wives, perhaps even a bit higher (there are some songs that I don't like so much on Arthur, but some others that I like much more, like the opener). Then I guess it would have to be Criminal Record and Out There, and then Journey. Then there are some other great albums, or songs from some albums, but those are the ones that really stand out for me... as far as I know them. |
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