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The Pessimist ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 13 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3834 |
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Thought I'd get the ball of this important topic rolling with this video. It's very good, and very eye-opening, I'd recommend a watch. For the record no sexist comments will be tolerated in this thread - a little bit presumptuous of me on the admins, but I'm sure they agree. This is a thread to discuss feminism, it's importance and the prevalence of gender equality in society, local or global. Also feel free to share your own experiences. Chat away! |
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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I think we should retire the word "feminism". It has too many negative connotations at it has been warped by radical feminists. I used to call myself a feminist because I thought the movement was about gender equality. Now, I mostly think it's about hating men and ridiculing any debate about gender differences.
See this infuriating subreddit for more: http://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrInAction |
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LSDisease ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 29 2008 Status: Offline Points: 494 |
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Feminism is like marxism, one of the stupidest ideologies ever.
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"Du gehst zu Frauen? Vergiss die Peitsche nicht!"
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smartpatrol ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 15 2012 Location: My Bedroom Status: Offline Points: 14169 |
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LSDisease ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 29 2008 Status: Offline Points: 494 |
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One word: equality |
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Ambient Hurricanes ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 25 2011 Location: internet Status: Offline Points: 2549 |
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Agreed. I will not call myself a feminist but I am a proponent of gender equality. And the video was spot-on; despite enormous changes in legislation and a huge push in certain segments of modern culture to combat sexism, it is still a terrible problem. And to be honest, I think pornography is one of the major factors in the continuing prevalence of sexism (although the problem definitely goes deeper than that). |
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Triceratopsoil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 03 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18016 |
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This is how I feel as well, and this will likely be my lone contribution to this thread (so I don't have to read whatever backward-ass thing somebody will inevitably post later). |
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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The kinds of things she was describing in the video are really off-putting, especially because I've never noticed anything that blatant. I think the a lot of guys joke around with women as we do with our guy friends (which, when it comes to sexuality, can get off-color pretty fast). But sexual assault and really lewd comments out of nowhere. Yikes. |
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Ambient Hurricanes ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 25 2011 Location: internet Status: Offline Points: 2549 |
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What do you mean by feminism? This brings up the point stonebeard addressed earlier. Are you talking about the extreme "there is absolutely no difference between the sexes and all women should be lesbians" militant philosophy, or are you referring to the kind of gender equality advocacy in the video? If the former, I can see where you are coming from, although I don't think Marxism is a good comparison (Marxism was, at least originally, more about determinist economic theory than equality anyway). But if you're referring to the latter, you are off the ball...really off the ball...like Colin Kapernick at his worst off the ball. |
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I love dogs, I've always loved dogs
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Ambient Hurricanes ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 25 2011 Location: internet Status: Offline Points: 2549 |
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That's also my experience exactly. I think where you live and what your upbringing was like have a lot to do with it. I was raised in the suburbs, went to a tiny Christian school, and currently attend a private liberal arts university that is one of the most tolerant places I have ever been. I haven't witnessed much of this kind of abuse. But despite my experience to the contrary the experiences of thousands of others confirms the problem. We really do live in different worlds sometimes. That's one reason I am thankful for the internet and it's ability to connect people to others with completely different live experiences. |
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LSDisease ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 29 2008 Status: Offline Points: 494 |
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There are differences and leave them be. I'm only trying to say that I am against all equality policies. People are not equal and will never be no matter what you do. I'm for freedom, equality is the enemy of freedom. |
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Ambient Hurricanes ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 25 2011 Location: internet Status: Offline Points: 2549 |
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What do you mean by "equality policies?" That term could mean all sorts of different things. Laws against murder could be considered equality policies because they assume that everyone has an equal right not to be killed. By "not equal" do you mean unequal in ability/potential/possessions/etc. or unequal in worth and value? If you want to have a discussion you're going to have to define your terms.
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The Pessimist ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 13 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3834 |
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So basically LSDisease - and I put this in the most polite way possible - you are a bigot who thinks that it is okay to deny people certain rights based on things that they have no control over (i.e. sexuality, gender, race, class).
EDIT: Equality is not the enemy of freedom. If people are treated differently by a governing body or by other people based on aforementioned involuntary traits, then THAT is opposing freedom. And I really recommend that you read up on Marxism and Feminism before you slander them. Edited by The Pessimist - January 26 2014 at 13:27 |
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Online Points: 13794 |
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Utterly nonsensical. There are many Marxist societies, past and present, which are also deeply mysoginist.
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smartpatrol ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 15 2012 Location: My Bedroom Status: Offline Points: 14169 |
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The best example of why to be a feminist is the comments on feminist articles and fourm posts
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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Those that have always had it good are the ones who call any change ridiculous.
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A Person ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
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muh privileges |
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Horizons ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 20 2011 Location: Somewhere Else Status: Offline Points: 16952 |
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Pretty much this.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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The Pessimist ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 13 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3834 |
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Right on the money. Also, feminism is not and has never been about "men-hating", and anyone who calls it that or acts by that philosophy is, to put it bluntly, wrong. It's about equal treatment for women on a social and legal scale. What the lady in the video I posted outlines very clearly is how women are definitely NOT treated equally anywhere in the world, which, needless to say, is immoral. |
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