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    Posted: June 21 2010 at 08:17
I read a review of Le Orme's Uomo Di Pezza that claimed that the band was "influenced" by ELP. This doesn't make any sense to me: Uomo Di Pezza came out in 1972! ELP were contempories with Le Orme. The only reason why someone would claim that they were influenced by them is because they heard ELP before they heard Le Orme. I see this kind of thing all the time with many different bands, and I think it's an injustice to many of the lower-profile progressive rock bands.
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What's wrong with having influences? Confused
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Points: 6088 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2010 at 08:40
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

What's wrong with having influences? Confused


That's the thing: it's not an influence if the band is making music at the same time you are. Inspiration, maybe. In 1972, Uomo Di Pezza was highly original, as was any ELP album. Using the word "influence" takes away from this originality. However, if one were to say that The Flower Kings were influenced by Yes, than that would be perfectly fine and accurate; it wouldn't take anything away from The Flower Kings's quality.
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Being influenced and taking inspiration are the same thing. LOL And yes, you can be influenced by a band that's active in the same time as your band. Usually that's how it works. And I don't think that it takes anything from the end result. Taking a certain element and doing something different with it shows originality in my opinion, but I know most people here don't think like that.
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Points: 16130 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2010 at 08:52
You see bands being influenced by their contemporaries all the time. It's happened in every age of popular music, prog or otherwise. Think how many bands the Beatles influenced and inspired, who were going at the same time as them.
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In this article http://www.liverock.it/tuttarec-interv.php?chiave=41 (I think) Dei Rossi describes Le Orme's early years and their influences, this passage (badly translated using Google) explains:
 
"We, Le Orme, of course, we did not invent this kind of sound, but we approached it developing with our artistic sensibilities and we entered the pattern laid down by the Nice of the keyboardists Keith Emerson, from Genesis and Pink Fìoyd, the first groups have experimented with the 'progressive' formula . In '70 we went to England to attend the great Isle of Wight Festival and listened for three or four days the best the international rock scene. Eventually we found confirmation that we were moving in the right direction as the world's most interesting bands were too 'they aimed to expand the boundaries of rock. I remember saying that this festival marked the debut concert of one of the formations that would have done then the history of music "progressive": Emerson, Lake & Palmer. (On This) occasion, the band performed a transposition rock "Pictures at an Exhibition" by Mussorgsky, the first song ever his own artistic production. The Isle of Wight experience gave us great courage and, once back in Italy, began the realization of "Collage", a work very close to these new musical trends."
 



 
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Points: 4006 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2010 at 13:57
Leaving aside Le Orme/ELP... perhaps it is an injustice to compare obscure bands to well-known ones, but it's a handy way of conveying in words what those obscure band sounds like. It might be more accurate, if a tad pedantic, to say that one band sounds like it was influenced by another. Something else for me to add to my reviews ''do/don't'' list then!  
 
BTW... welcome to PA, Anthony. Nice to have another RPI fan on board. Why not post a review or two yourself... I always enjoy reading other members' opinions of albums Thumbs Up  
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Points: 8718 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2010 at 16:46
for me, "infuenced by" is an ok thing to say, i do not see it as detracting from the group in question as also having their own way
           now when someone uses the terms derivative or clone, those words are truly derogatory
                in the end, i guess i see Le Orme as influenced by ELP, and then used that influence to mould their own unique take on progressive rock with Collage, and then the following three studio albums (actually, i find their music does more for me than ELP, but that is just a matter of taste)
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Points: 771 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2010 at 17:33
I don't think you clearly understand the meaning of "influence."
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Points: 859 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2010 at 19:27
Le Orme were influenced by The Nice, as they cover the Nice b*****disation of Blue Rondo a la Turk on their little-appreciated early album L'aurora. But I think Le Orme developed into a far more beautiful and mature band than ELP.

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Points: 3281 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2010 at 20:06
People erroneously assume influences a lot. Coheed And Cambria are frequently cited as being influenced by Rush, and indeed there's a similarity in their sounds, but C&C's Claudio Sanchez has repeatedly stated that he never listened to Rush before people kept pointing the similarity out. So they sound similar but there's no influence- he came to the sound himself rather than listening to Rush and going "I want to sound like that".
 
Same thing happened to me when I was rapping- a couple of times I was told to "Stop copying Aesop Rock", a rapper I had not actually listened to at the time though I have now.
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Points: 8718 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2010 at 21:18
Originally posted by Ronnie Pilgrim Ronnie Pilgrim wrote:

I don't think you clearly understand the meaning of "influence."
i am not sure which of us your comment is directed at, but if it  is me, i guess influence sort of means having a visible affect of some sort on something-an influence can be directly visible, or underlying, and a bit harder to isolate-i guess with a music group, an influence would be something from some other musical source that had an affect on that group's subsequent sound of their music, and , of course, there are different degrees of affect, and different types of affect
        i guess that sort of summarises itSmileSmileSmile
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Points: 4489 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2010 at 21:24
^ Yeah, I've heard the Coheed thing many times... I think Claudio said they made the song '21:13' to kind of poke fun at the Rush accusations.
    
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