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    Posted: July 14 2009 at 16:44
Found this clip that I thought you might enjoy.  What gets me is how far TV journalism has fallen.  People used to be able to watch stuff like this on TV, while now news is considered where Lindsay and Paris partied last night.  Edward R Murrow is spinning in his grave.  God I love a good, dry discussion in black and white.  A boring set, a lite bulb hanging from the ceiling, lots of cigarette smoke....those were the days. 

Anyway, the clip....
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reminds me of Charlie Rose's show

so what's the crux of this thread Jim, the decline of intellect in TV journalism or Rand's philosophies?.. I'll say this: I'm sick of  philosophy in general, a feeble attempt to organize ideas and views, a trap wherein true principles and ethics are ignored in favor of an Idea Set
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Yeah we all long for the "old days"
Everything was good back then.
Especially with the cigarette smoke, the good ol days of manliness and suave right?
One of my profs told me that people, professors included, used to smoke right in class. I do wish we go back to that some time...

Well we're not. That's progress for ya...
Since this is a thread for Libertarians I guess I'm leaving.
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I think they need to smoke more. LOL
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I agree, which is why I enjoy The News Hour and of course the indomitable Charlie Rose.
 
However, I can't say the same about Ayn. "Greed is good and altruism is evil" sounds to me suspiciously like an attempt to validate being a bad person...
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Ayn Rand is/was a cancer, as evidenced by her saying most people don't deserve love.

Thank Gawd libertarianism doesn't have to stand on her overly masculine shoulders to survive.
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I prefer a different old philosophy on love:

 

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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Ayn Rand is/was a cancer, as evidenced by her saying most people don't deserve love.

Thank Gawd libertarianism doesn't have to stand on her overly masculine shoulders to survive.


You must be kidding me...
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Funny, I tried to pay my cell phone bill with love and
I got escorted out by security.
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A thread for Libertarians you say!
Maybe we can get Pen Jillette to join Progarchives now


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Points: 4702 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2009 at 02:44
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

reminds me of Charlie Rose's show

so what's the crux of this thread Jim, the decline of intellect in TV journalism or Rand's philosophies?.. I'll say this: I'm sick of  philosophy in general, a feeble attempt to organize ideas and views, a trap wherein true principles and ethics are ignored in favor of an Idea Set




Why are you mentioning philosophy in an Ayn Rand thread?
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Heh, look, I'd like to reserve the term 'philosopher' for people of far greater intellectual potential than Rand, and most importantly for people who actually had something profound to say.

Although she did stress the existence of a reality independent of our hopes and wishes. Seeing that so many people seem to think their perception is reality that's gotta count for something.

Too bad her 'philosophy' is a u-turn on that basic principle, though.
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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Ayn Rand is/was a cancer, as evidenced by her saying most people don't deserve love.

Thank Gawd libertarianism doesn't have to stand on her overly masculine shoulders to survive.


You must be kidding me...

Did you watch the clip?
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Originally posted by KoS KoS wrote:

Funny, I tried to pay my cell phone bill with love andI got escorted out by security.




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I say make weed legal and tax it like cigarettes and liquor.

Let's be honest- marijuana has caused way fewer deaths and maimings than drink and causes fewer health problems than cigarettes.

So is why is that illegal?

Why do we spend exorbitant amounts of money arresting and jailing people who use and deal it?

Has prohibition taught us nothing?

I've never toked myself- not once- but as I contemplate the beer I will enjoy today, I'll just say that I'm no hypocrite.
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Oh, and something about love:

People toss that word around an awful lot without it having any clear meaning.

If a man comes in meaning to rob and murder my family, how can I possibly love that man in any meaningful respect?  No, if I love my family, I will hate that man, and do what I must to protect my wife and children (and please don't come at me with Christ's words that "You should love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you," as though I've never heard that statement or never studied it in context).

I'd actually take Rand's proposal that "not everyone is deserving of love" a big step further: No people are deserving of love (it's a biblical concept)- we're all wicked.  But as God chose to love us despite our sin, we should love others, meaning we should forgive the faults of people we despise and show kindness to them (even if we don't want to!).
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