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Lonely Progger 
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Joined: March 07 2007 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 100 |
 Topic: What does Dream Theater need ?Posted: November 24 2007 at 06:09 |
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I've thought a lot about this and was wondering what Dream Theater needed to take them to the Top 15 studio albums of this site.
Because they are all four obviously very talented musicians with a very wide range of different styles, just have to listen to "Evening with J.Rudess & J. Petrucci" & LTE .
I'm listening to Lunar Sea by Camel right now and they could just never do that.
Well they are Brilliant musicians but when they do something like "The Dance Of Eternity" you're amazed but there is just something missing.What is it to you ?
So if you had the 4 members of DT in front of you discussing about their 2009 album what advice would you give them ?
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Lost in the south of france:
" Le rock progressif ? C'est quoi cette connerie? " |
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Jared
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Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 19322 |
Posted: November 24 2007 at 06:13 |
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which of their 5 members were you hoping might leave??
 ...personally, and I feel I am increasingly in the minority in saying this... I like them just the way they are... turning out a top rate album every 2 years...they should simply be left alone to get on with it...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Lonely Progger
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Joined: March 07 2007 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 100 |
Posted: November 24 2007 at 06:32 |
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I do consider Labrie a but as a musical deadweight ^^, How can you respect a singer who doesn't contribute to the music and doesn't even write the lyrics he sings !
But he must feel crushed by Petrucci's and Rudess' musical knowledge most of the time and he isn't really a progger to, Mike Portnoy said he listened to maroon 5 and stuff like that
 . So it must be quite hard for him to find his place in the machine that is Dream theater.
Top rate albums to you, but not to the majority so would you have nothing to say ?
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Lost in the south of france:
" Le rock progressif ? C'est quoi cette connerie? " |
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Dalezilla
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Posted: November 24 2007 at 06:33 |
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I think they should start being what they are instead of trying to be what they were.
Edited by Dalezilla - November 24 2007 at 07:40 |
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: November 24 2007 at 06:34 |
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Good Question, but one I don't think there is an answer to
The obvious answer is that as a Prog Metal band they never will deliver a Prog album that appeals to all Proggers, which wouild put them in the top 15, or even the top 50.
Pehaps they could adopt some self-control - they are very talented musicians with many good ideas, but perhaps they shouldn't try and use them all at once. But then that is their style, that is what makes them DT.
Also, I was listening to Systematic Chaos yesterday and it struck me how much old ground they were retreading on that album, there are tracks there that would fit comfortably on Scenes, Train and Octavarium, for example Forsaken could easily be (yet another) ending for Scenes - they don't need to do that, there are more than enough original ideas without having to do.
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Jared
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Posted: November 24 2007 at 06:48 |
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no...nothing to add...I've been happy listening to their music since before you were born (with the exception of FII which was quite a disappointment) ...and will probably still be happy with them, when you have kids of your own....
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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aapatsos
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Posted: November 24 2007 at 06:52 |
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Emotion
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Jared
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Posted: November 24 2007 at 07:01 |
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good grief...I think they have bucket loads....maybe you should go and listen to some Spiral Architect, then re-evaluate...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Darklord55
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Posted: November 24 2007 at 07:06 |
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Agreed!!!! Call me or us DT fan boys, I don't care. Why change something that is near perfection. IMHO. Anyway, I am sure they would not want our advice.
Dream Theater, Opeth, 3 and Between the Buried and Me, 2008!! WOW!!! |
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Evandro Martini
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Posted: November 24 2007 at 07:19 |
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In my opinion, DT doesn't suffer a lack of something, but an excess of many things:
Excess of bad singing. Excess of velocity, just to show up. We can listen to what they are playing... Excess of bad timbres. |
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"You’ll never make any money playing music that people can’t sing.” Keith Emerson's father
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Frippertron
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Joined: October 09 2005 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 387 |
Posted: November 24 2007 at 07:42 |
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I suppose its not what Dream Theater needs but what prog rock fans need.
I would suggest clearing out their ears from the same old tat that classes itself as prog rock but is in fact plagirism rock (where do I start?)
I am happy with Dream Theater and wouldnt want anything to change about their overall sound or anything.
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The Cheerful Insanity of Prog Rock
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 24 2007 at 07:59 |
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I think they somehow lost their inspiration after SDoiT. I love Train of Thought and enjoy listening to Octavarium and Systematic Chaos, but they're definitely lacking in the songwriting department. Of course they're free to do whatever they want to do, but my suggestion would be for them to try something completely different ... and *not* trying to fuse their sound with that of other artists. I mean, influences are ok and it's better to steal than to imitate, but I'm sick of listening to their albums and thinking "ok, that's the Muse song of the album, here they're sounding like Opeth ... that track has Linkin Park written all over it etc. etc.".
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Lonely Progger
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Joined: March 07 2007 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 100 |
Posted: November 24 2007 at 08:16 |
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fandango
"no...nothing to add...I've been happy listening to their music since before you were born (with the exception of FII which was quite a disappointment) ...and will probably still be happy with them, when you have kids of your own....
"Well good for you, but i think they are capable of much better.
"The obvious answer is that as a Prog Metal band they never will deliver a Prog album that appeals to all Proggers, which wouild put them in the top 15, or even the top 50."
That's just the thing they don't have to do prog metal they are a very versatile group,Petrucci shows his different guitar styles In LTE & In the live with J.Rudess, Portnoy's drumming isn't always violent=transatlantic & Myung's bass could be used in something other than a metal context. But if they did drop the power chords would they still be as impressive as they are in Prog metal ? and would they be any good.
And also Prog to me is about 2 major things and 1 less important one.
First it's being complicated so as not to get bored when you listen to the music DT will satisfy anyone there. The second is being progressive so taking the words of darqdean :Also, I was listening to Systematic Chaos yesterday and it struck me how much old ground they were retreading on that album.
Which is true they don't seem to have evolved much in the last 8 years.
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Lost in the south of france:
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: November 24 2007 at 08:40 |
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^ they could do all those things, but they wouldn't be Dream Theater any more, so what is the point?
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Shakespeare
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Posted: November 24 2007 at 08:59 |
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SPARE US! or Make it a Zorn wannabee insane avant-garde 79 minute opus. or An instrumental album. Complexity/musicianship toned down. Focus on melodies. Edited by Shakespeare - November 24 2007 at 09:00 |
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aapatsos
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Posted: November 24 2007 at 09:01 |
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 I get your point (Spiral Architect rule anyway)actually I don't mean this 'cheesy' emotion that they produce sometimes they need deeper emotion when they get 'cheesy' and they need deeper emotion when they confuse recording with jamming...  and a bit more inspiration after Metropolis pt.2 would not have been bad... Edited by aapatsos - November 24 2007 at 09:02 |
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Chicapah
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Joined: February 14 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8238 |
Posted: November 24 2007 at 10:25 |
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I personally think they should cut ties with their metal past and move into more varied landscapes. No doubt they are giants of metal rock and their early albums are testaments to that prowess but been there, done that, fellas. Their greatest triumphs have been when they allowed themselves to dabble in symphonic themes and more ethereal soundscapes and I would love to see them further explore the direction they took with their epic Octavarium and Six Degrees. Their latest CD did absolutely nothing for me and I gave it to my son.
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cuncuna
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Joined: March 29 2005 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 4318 |
Posted: November 24 2007 at 10:26 |
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They need to be owned by Steve Hackett, so they can finally loose their manly urges and create something with true beauty inside instead of empty technique.
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¡Beware of the Bee!
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Dean
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Posted: November 24 2007 at 10:27 |
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Hackett pwned them years ago
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MajesterX
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Posted: November 24 2007 at 10:47 |
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They need to do something new- ie take a risk. They need to be Dream Theater, not a band that makes albums filled with songs that could be picked out as having a certain influence as their last album was.
I think they need a few years off to really think about making an album in less than a month. They need emotion. They need to blend their many, many obvious influences into something fresh. New music comes from the combination other music and styles, not from making a bunch of songs in which every song has an obvious influence. They need to blend. Frankly, I think they've passed their peak and I'm not expecting anything fantastic out of them for the rest of their career if they continue in the manner they've been going. |
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