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The-Bullet 
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Posted: August 05 2007 at 23:14 |
I know it has been often brought up here, but it seems to happen too many times where a reviewer "chooses" to review the "top" 2 albums . 
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"Why say it cannot be done.....they'd be better doing pop songs?"
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The T
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Posted: August 05 2007 at 23:16 |
ehh... explain that to me... maybe I'd agree...if I understood what you're taking about....
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Dim
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Posted: August 05 2007 at 23:21 |
You mean when people only vote for our top two albums? Taab and WYWH
I know what you mean...
Actually, I think there is a review for both of those right now on the home page  |
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The T
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Posted: August 05 2007 at 23:24 |
If that's what you mean... well... what's the big deal? ... Is not that the reviewer gets any benefit or the rating change that much because of that.... Actually, usually with the top albums your rating won't have too much weight as they have lots of reviews....
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The-Bullet
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Posted: August 05 2007 at 23:30 |
The big deal is I feel it's a valid point. You may not agree, but that does not change the fact that some people abuse the system. It doesn't matter whether ratings will change or not. If you think it's no big deal then feel free not to participate 
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"Why say it cannot be done.....they'd be better doing pop songs?"
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The T
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Posted: August 05 2007 at 23:34 |
 The-Bullet wrote:
The big deal is I feel it's a valid point. You may not agree, but that does not change the fact that some people abuse the system. It doesn't matter whether ratings will change or not. If you think it's no big deal then feel free not to participate |
Man calm down! I'm not attacking you or your thread... I'm just giving my opinion, which is: I don't think it's a big deal....AN OPINION... gee!....
Of course some people abuse the system.. but they have less chance to abuse with greatly-reviewed albums like those usually in the top spots... it's with those 3-reviews-only albums where they got the chance to really abuse the system....
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Dim
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Posted: August 05 2007 at 23:34 |
I think I follow...
Well, I think some peoples REAL votes are detered by the ratings of those two albums.
Or maybe I'm too much of a Yes head not to be disgusted that Yessongs is not in the top fifty, BLASPHEMY!
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The-Bullet
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Posted: August 06 2007 at 00:10 |
Maybe my post was too subtle, or maybe it was unclear  . What I meant was - Whilst I understand that such tactics generally don't make much difference, has anyone else noticed how often the top albums are reviewed by a someone in a vulgar attempt to manipulate the ratings ?. Particularly where 1 review immediately follows the other.
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"Why say it cannot be done.....they'd be better doing pop songs?"
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Easy Livin
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Posted: August 06 2007 at 03:54 |
As long as the reviews meet the guidelines, we don't have any reason to remove them. If they are ratings only, then they will have little or no impact now.
On the plus side, such people may then take a look at the site and decide to expand their horizons.
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sircosick
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 16:31 |
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Few days ago I had the impression that one guy joined PA with the only purpose to put WYWH over TAAB, reviewed them about one hour after he joined (five and two stars, respectively).
I think it's a shame, but as Easy Livin said, there aren't strong reasons to remove the reviews, unless they're not following the guidelines. And the worst shame of all, is the fact that these kind of people barely submit an original review..... in general, they plagiarize some very low review to bring the rating down.......
Sad, to say the least..... But out of control.
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 16:35 |
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Er. Am I the only one who fails to see the purpose of this thread?
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The-Bullet
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 20:09 |
Shakespeare wrote:
Er. Am I the only one who fails to see the purpose of this thread?
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And what's the purpose of this comment ? Maybe kids have nothing better to do ? 
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 20:53 |
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I bet you think us kids are all the same, right? WELL I'M DIFFERENT! I HAVE DREAMS!!!! Nobody understands me. I'll just go slit my wrists some more....
That's how I apologize.
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sircosick
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Posted: August 11 2007 at 13:04 |
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The best you can is good enough...
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Trickster F.
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Posted: September 09 2007 at 08:34 |
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Shakespeare, you make every awful thread worthwhile!
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: October 03 2007 at 04:59 |
The-Bullet wrote:
I know it has been often brought up here, but it seems to happen too many times where a reviewer "chooses" to review the "top" 2 albums . |
I agree for a while there was this thing going with Yes CTTE and Genesis SEBTP, one person would give five stars to one of the albums then two to the other, then the next reviewer would react and reverse it; eg: reviewer 1: CTTE -5 Stars, SEBTP -2 Stars reviewer 2: CTTE- 2 Stars, SEBTP - 5 Stars etc,etc The whole thing is ridoculous when this happens because you know this system of reviewing is insincere and its all about which one goes at number one, I just glad the algorithm has been changed and so these two albums are not neck and neck anymore.
Edited by Cheesecakemouse - October 03 2007 at 05:00
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Easy Livin
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Posted: October 03 2007 at 05:17 |
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The revised algorithm means that such voting is pretty much a waste of time.
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: October 03 2007 at 05:19 |
Easy Livin wrote:
The revised algorithm means that such voting is pretty much a waste of time. |
great  , in non computer talk terms how does this work?
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: October 03 2007 at 05:26 |
Me, I prefer to review stuff that hasn't been touched before, but occasionally I have something interesting to say about stuff that's been reviewed a gazillion times. Usually I'll review stuff I really like. Sometimes I'll do stuff that's not so hot. Never waste my time with anything less than a two star. The results that the algorithm turn up can be interesting though, particularly if you look up top albums for a given year. I posted and reviewed Ponty's Jazz Violin Summit and lookie, it's number three for 1967  . While I am honored, I suspect only a slim minority of folks here have actually heard the album. I see things at the top that I've never heard either, but if you're in an exploratory mood, it certainly gives you some artists to try out.
Edited by Slartibartfast - October 03 2007 at 05:30
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: October 03 2007 at 05:29 |
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