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BaldFriede 
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Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10266 |
 Topic: Suggestion for the top 100Posted: March 23 2006 at 19:40 |
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Each artist should only be allowed to have one album in the top 100. That way we would get a bigger variety there and not an endless repetition of 5 or 6 artists which for some reason are the most popular.
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Bern
Forum Senior Member 
VIP Member Joined: September 22 2005 Location: Québec Status: Offline Points: 11746 |
Posted: March 23 2006 at 19:43 |
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Good Idea!
Maybe we could just change the top 100 of best albums for the top 100 of Best (most popular) bands. That way, we would automatically have 100 different bands. |
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Zargus
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Joined: May 08 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 3491 |
Posted: March 23 2006 at 19:46 |
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I agree 1 or 2 albums whuld be enough, then we culd meby get some other stuff in there then all the old 70's giants.
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el böthy
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Joined: April 27 2005 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6336 |
Posted: March 23 2006 at 20:12 |
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I don´t think it´s a good idea...the top 100 should be about best albums, not about putting 100 bands together...this way Yes or Genesis, which both have at least 5 excellent albums should leave 4 behind so we can put Styx in? jejeje I don´t think so...
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phobos
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Joined: March 13 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 33 |
Posted: March 23 2006 at 20:22 |
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I don't agree with that because it tells us nothing of the quailty of particular albums. I do think that there should be a place you can click on the top 100 to change it to "one album per band" mode (but with a better name). Phobos |
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Dr Know
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Joined: February 10 2006 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 532 |
Posted: March 23 2006 at 20:26 |
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Or 3 albums maximum, it´s pretty boring seeing Yes, Genesis, Floyd all the way down.
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BaldFriede
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Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10266 |
Posted: March 23 2006 at 20:31 |
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But that's just my point. I definitely do not believe that only 6 or 7 bands made the best albums; but because some of these bands made one or two albums that are really excellent the rest of their albums get voted up their too by shere automatism, although they don't deserve it. There are a lot of better albums out there than the more mediocre works of these artists that just have a big lobby. And I don't think we will get Styx in there that way. We currently have more than 2300 artists in the database; that should somehow be represented in the top 100. |
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VanBuren
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Joined: October 27 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 83 |
Posted: March 23 2006 at 20:45 |
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that's stupid, because then it's not the best in progressive music, you
just have to accept it that bands like yes, genesis, rush, ect have a
lot of damn good albums and to not recognize them for their brilliant
work is a damn shame. And also, genesis for example, there's no one
album of genesis' that is excellent and thereby pulls all the others
put, they just put out some of the best progressive rock around. And if
it were the case that just because genesis made the lamb, foxtrot,
selling england, ect, wouldn't invisible touch and we can't dance be up
there too, but oh wait, they're not
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el böthy
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Joined: April 27 2005 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6336 |
Posted: March 23 2006 at 20:46 |
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I completly see your point, but I honestly don´t see it fair (as it´s obvious that you don´t see the current way fair too). I honestly belive that in the case of Yes for example, The Yes album, Fragil, Close to the edge and Relayer to be above...pretty much above anything that any other band did...but again that´s taste, so I can´t be objective on this one...maybe if we had both tops! The current and the one you say...now that I would see fair!!! Edited by el böthy |
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The Ryan
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Joined: June 16 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 559 |
Posted: March 23 2006 at 20:54 |
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Isn't this what "Top 200", "Top 500", and "Top 100 Progressive Music Albums By Genre" are all for? This seems like welfare for bands which are far less popular then what is already in the Top 100. If you want something on this site you can already find it, so why change? Variety is at all of our fingertips, try by genre or top 500. There's nothing "Top" about censorship. |
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BaldFriede
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Posted: March 23 2006 at 20:55 |
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It's not stupid at all. There is a lot of excellent prog out there that just hasn't that big a lobby because it is for some reason not that well known, though it deserves to get a lot more attention. Would this be represented in the top 100, it would get the attention it deserves and add to the general knowledge of prog. Anyway, polls never show the best but only the most average; this is the nature of polls. But with a bigger diversity of artists some less known gems would drift to the surface. |
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Equality 7-2521
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Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: March 23 2006 at 20:56 |
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Or there could be a top 100 artists to get more bands on there
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Hierophant
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Joined: March 11 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 651 |
Posted: March 23 2006 at 21:00 |
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I wholeheartedly disagree.
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Dr Know
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Joined: February 10 2006 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 532 |
Posted: March 23 2006 at 21:02 |
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Have you seen this Progressive Poll http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com (Note King Crimson ITCOTCK at Number One and Leftoverture at twenty) |
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The Ryan
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Joined: June 16 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 559 |
Posted: March 23 2006 at 21:03 |
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"I definitely do not believe that only 6 or 7 bands made teh best albums..." Most people (including me) don't either but eventually you make a list so big (See "Top 500") that this no longer matters and everyone is happy. This new idea of yours seems okay for people who can't already find what they want, but I'd say to them that they need to get suggestions, look at genres and figure out what they truly like instead of leeching off of 100 albums. The collective wisdom of everyone is far greater then that of the individual. Yours and my opinions on what albums should be included in the Top 100 list is only a tiny portion of how we think it should be. Obviously no one agrees, and obviously we can all pick how many stars for every single one of those albums, so to say your way is best only suites you and not the majority. Create a poll. A true Top 100 list based on ratings (as it is now) is one of the only few ways to create something that reflects everyone's opinions. Once again, I disagree with the order and how many albums from certain bands are up there but that is the choice everyone is given to vote the way they do. I suppose that's freedom or something? You won't hear me say the list isn't flawed to pieces though, but the initial idea of ratings and no limitations I feel works best for a "Top" album list. I've come to realize there's a ton of great albums not represented on the Top 100, but there are a billion ways to figure out about those artists. I spent some time going through the entire site (as much as I could), but if an album doesn't have the ratings to climb why should it be there? If I can find what I want (which is very often more obscure than the Top 100 list) why can't other people? Edited by The Ryan |
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The Ryan
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Joined: June 16 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 559 |
Posted: March 23 2006 at 21:11 |
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I've come up with one more thing. Make a list of best bands, not best albums to go right under or above the Top 100 album list. This way all the somewhat unknown gems of the past four decades can "surface" or whatever you want to call it. |
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Hierophant
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Joined: March 11 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 651 |
Posted: March 23 2006 at 21:13 |
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People need to quit making threads about Genesis, ELP, Rush, and YES and start exposing more obscure bands that NEED to be exposed. There are plenty of "advanced" listeners on this site who just aren't sharing their knowledge with others. This is why we have 1000 threads about whether or not Genesis was overrated or how new bands "can never be like the old ones" because we talk about the SAME FOUR BANDS OVER AND OVER AGAIN Edited by Hierophant |
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The Ryan
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Posted: March 23 2006 at 21:25 |
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It's peoples own choice, you can't make them like the same obscure things you do. I've learned that lesson many-a-time in my own personal life. I am not a veteran of this website, yet I get around. I hear lots of strange and crazy sounds here, not just Genesis and Yes. If people want to talk about Genesis and Yes all day I'm not going to stop them. Also see my last response in large font, stop complaining about albums please. A top 100 list is never going to expose "obscure bands". Find another solution. Edited by The Ryan |
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Hierophant
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Joined: March 11 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 651 |
Posted: March 23 2006 at 21:32 |
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Exactly my point. People need to stop blaming the "system" and start doing something about it. Your favorite obscure bands not getting any recognition? Make threads about them. Share what you know. |
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The Ryan
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Posted: March 23 2006 at 21:36 |
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What are you talking to me for? Whether I am or am not a part of the problem, I didn't start this topic OR even complain about the list of albums. I stand by what I said, and don't disagree with the idea that obscure bands need to be shared. |
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