![]() |
U.S. Jazz Fusion: 1970 |
Post Reply ![]() |
Page 12> |
Author | |||
Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 43356 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posted: February 11 2025 at 02:39 |
||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Edited by Psychedelic Paul - February 11 2025 at 05:23 |
|||
![]() |
|||
Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 12407 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
I have a clear top three:
Miles Davis - Bitches Brew Alice Coltrane - Ptah, The El Daoud (not fusion, but I'm glad it's included) Wayne Shorter - Moto Grosso Feio I like Abraxas, Turn it Over, Earth Rot, Spaces, Burnt Weeny Sandwich as well. Never even heard of the Herbie Hancock, even though I consider myself quite the fanboy. (of course) you skipped my favorite Herbie Mann-album. His five star, actual-jazzfusion masterwork. The very beautiful: Stone Flute -other favorites that is some kind of US Jazz Fusion: Yusef Lateef - The Diverse Yusef Lateef The Lloyd McNeill Quartet - Washington Suite William S. Fischer - Circles Joe Farrell Quartet - Joe Farrell Quartet Joe Henderson - Power to the People The Fourth Way - The Sun and Moon Have Come Together Jeremy Steig - Energy + I prefer Pharoah Sanders - Jewels of Thought (but one has to be able to enjoy some Afro American yodeling) |
|||
![]() |
|||
Octopus II ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 21 2023 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 12344 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
Chicago - Chicago II
Santana - Abraxas Blood, Sweat & Tears - Blood, Sweat & Tears 3 |
|||
![]() |
|||
Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 43356 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
No problem. I just added Herbie Mann's Stone Flute album to the poll retroactively, in place of Barry Miles.
![]() |
|||
![]() |
|||
omphaloskepsis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 6794 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
Chicago II
|
|||
![]() |
|||
Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 12407 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
|
|||
![]() |
|||
Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 12407 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
^I still haven't voted, as I don't know which among my by now four favorites to give it to. Nothing comes close to Bitches Brew* in regards to historical importance (and I love it to death), but an album such as Stone Flute may still be more of a personal favorite.
*it's like the In the Court of the Crimson King, Black Sabbath or Autobahn of Jazz Rock Fusion - and then some. |
|||
![]() |
|||
Rick1 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 14 2020 Location: Loughborough UK Status: Online Points: 2924 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
Alice Coltrane for today. Weasels and Burnt Weeny were not conceived as albums as such - Zappa hastily assembled various out-takes and live recordings following the dissolution of the original Mothers.
|
|||
![]() |
|||
Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 12407 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
|
|||
![]() |
|||
Nogbad_The_Bad ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team Joined: March 16 2007 Location: Boston Status: Offline Points: 21297 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
Bitches Brew
Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - February 11 2025 at 08:35 |
|||
Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
|||
![]() |
|||
Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Online Points: 43356 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
1. Santana - Abraxas
2. Chicago - Chicago II 3. Buddy Miles - Them Changes 4. Mandrill - Mandrill
Edited by Psychedelic Paul - February 11 2025 at 09:07 |
|||
![]() |
|||
richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29402 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
Might just as well be Chicago v Santana as far as I'm concerned. (I voted Chicago)
|
|||
![]() |
|||
Big Sky ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 24 2022 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 768 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
Pretty much of the same opinion. Both bands were firing on all cylinders at this stage of their career. Ultimately, Chicago is my choice too. Bitches Brew is certainly a historically important album. However, I never got on with it as well as other Miles Davis albums during this period such as Jack Johnson and In a Silent Way. |
|||
![]() |
|||
David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15555 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
Definitely, Bitches Brew, while Abraxas is quite as sure Latin Rock in my book. Edited by David_D - February 11 2025 at 10:40 |
|||
quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
|
|||
![]() |
|||
Big Sky ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 24 2022 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 768 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
Both Discogs and Wikipedia have Jazz Fusion, as well as Latin Rock, Psychedelic Rock and Blues Rock for style / genre listed for Abraxas. Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but obviously someone believes there is enough Jazz Fusion in Abraxas to list it under style / genre of music. |
|||
![]() |
|||
verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Online Points: 18555 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
![]() |
|||
![]() |
|||
Logan ![]() Forum & Site Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37188 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
Stone Flute was one of my favourite album recommendations that I have had in my time at PA and get my vote. I also love Alice Coltrane's Ptah, The El Daoud, David Axelrod's Earth Rot, Miles Davis' Bitches Brew, and Santana's Abraxas. And I like the Zappa albums. I like it when I see several albums I like enough in a poll to want to mention. Very nice poll.
Edited by Logan - February 11 2025 at 14:10 |
|||
![]() |
|||
David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15555 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
Anyway, I find the question quite relevant, as it may be seen as a kind of colonialism or suppression of ethnic minority, for not to talk about possible lack of respect for the intensions of the artist - even all that may also be seen as some unusual considerations. ![]() |
|||
quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
|
|||
![]() |
|||
Big Sky ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 24 2022 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 768 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
Ok.... never thought to see that listed as a possible reason.... |
|||
![]() |
|||
Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 12407 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
||
^^That's only the second dumbest comment I've seen here in 2025. There should be more than enough actual supression to be concerned about - so there's really no need to make that sh*t up. If you do not notice the Jazz Fusion element on Abraxas as soon as the album starts with "Singing Winds, Crying Beasts", I don't know what to tell you. It's not like Fusion typically dominates the album, but it's present here and there as a natural part of the whole. That's why multiple tags works better at describing both artists and albums, than just one genre per full discography. You know that an album (or even a song) can represent more than one genre at once right? Or maybe you don't, as I remember you had a hard time understanding that Black Sabbath could be Hard Rock and Heavy Metal simultaneously.
-A couple of albums later Santana went all in an made the full blown Jazz Fusion/Jazz-Rock-masterpiece Caravanserai. Of course their Latin Rock is still present, but that's the thing with Jazz Fusion. It can be fused with practically any kind of musical style - or tradition. |
|||
![]() |
Post Reply ![]() |
Page 12> |
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions ![]() You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |