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    Posted: January 16 2021 at 13:20
When I first "heard" growl and scream vocals in the late '80s or early '90s, I assumed that the "singers"(?) might not be human. (I wasn't a metalhead then, and I heard such stuff from one of my cousins' thrash/death metal audio cassettes.)

When I became a metalhead in, I guess, 1991; I saw the terms "lead guitars" and "bass guitars" in the booklets; and assumed that bass guitars are the lead guitar riffs and lead guitars are the guitar solos.

I was always generalizing drums that don't have an acoustic timbre as "drum machine"; especially if they were also flawlessly played. I was so sure about this. You know, a fake sound and a nonhuman impeccability. This lasted till the early 2000s.

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For long time I thought the band Pagan Altar was some black metal, after all with such a name what can it be? Well it's some really good doom metal LOL. A must listen for clean vocals doom. Big smile
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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

When I first "heard" growl and scream vocals in the late '80s or early '90s, I assumed that the "singers"(?) might not be human.  

What did you think they were?
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

When I first "heard" growl and scream vocals in the late '80s or early '90s, I assumed that the "singers"(?) might not be human.  

What did you think they were?


Well, I was between 7-9 years old or so then. I guess it was like, "hey aliens can be real," kind of thinking. Monsters are amongst us!!! LOL

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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:


I was always generalizing drums that don't have an acoustic timbre as "drum machine"; especially if they were also flawlessly played. I was so sure about this. You know, a fake sound and a nonhuman impeccability. This lasted till the early 2000s.

Yeah... I was for quite some time convinced that I could reliably tell apart what's human and what's machine. Not true. Confused
Both can human beings make themselves astonishingly machine-like, and sampling technology quickly became more "real sounding" than I'd have liked to admit.
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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

When I first "heard" growl and scream vocals in the late '80s or early '90s, I assumed that the "singers"(?) might not be human.  

What did you think they were?


Well, I was between 7-9 years old or so then. I guess it was like, "hey aliens can be real," kind of thinking. Monsters are amongst us!!! LOL
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That anyone not listening to and loving ELP were ignorant about music.
Oh to be a teenager again. LOL
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In the beginning (i.e. early teens) I thought that quality and beauty were objective notions, so I thought that it was impossible not to like Kayak's Merlin suite... until I met someone who really didn't like it (first I thought he was lying...).

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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

In the beginning (i.e. early teens) I thought that quality and beauty were objective notions, so I thought that it was impossible not to like Kayak's Merlin suite... until I met someone who really didn't like it (first I thought he was lying...).


I think it is within the scope of egocentric bias, and according to the developmental psychology field, it is a normal aspect of the teen mindset. Similarly, during childhood it is normal that one thinks everybody also knows something s/he knows. Good that we/people mature (though I'm not sure that everybody does)!

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I remember the first time I heard a live album (Moody Blues Caught Live +5) and the side opened with crowd noise, I thought it was something wrong with the record.
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When I was a kid, I was thinking that Modern Talking is an American band. Then, a couple of years ago, I told this to an American friend of mine during a bar chat; he said that he also was thinking that MT is "their" band. They are not only German but also a duo. LOL BTW, when Modern Talking "came" to Turkey via audial and visual mediums, I was 4-5 years old or so. That American friend of mine is 15-20 years older than me. So, the fact that even an adult could be "fooled" about it means that my wrong assumption was not embarrassing at all.

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When I discovered what would become my favourite band-Germany's Triumvirat -in 1985, and I read the credits on the back of my lp copy of "Illusions On A Double Dimple", I assumed that Lead vocalist/bass and 6 and 12 string guitarist Helmut Koellen who was listed on the record was still living-sometimes you just automatically assume things-but then read the depressing news on "The Triumvirat Bio" published on the net in the 1990s that poor Helmut had died way back on May 3rd, 1977! It hurt when I read that he was a member of "The 27 Club", but at least I found out what had happened.
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Virtually anybody in Turkey was thinking that Michael Jackson "became" white via plastic surgery, because he was ashamed to be black. It is heart-rendering that most of us still think so. I learnt that he was a vitiligo sufferer and had skin cancer thereafter, but most of the people whomever I talk to about it still learn that from me. I learnt this after MJ's tragic death from his interview with Oprah Winfrey which was conducted/broadcasted in the '90s. He also said there that he was a proud black.

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Probably that working pros have a great career doing what they want and getting paid for it.   Doesn't really work that way.

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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Probably that working pros have a great career doing what they want and getting paid for it.   Doesn't really work that way.



I couldn't be sure what you mean here. I have my strong guesses, but I'd rather be sure. Can you clarify please?
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When I was a kid I thought the “producer” listed on the album was like a conductor for an orchestra. I used to grab a couple of spoons and pretend I was Tony Clarke “producing” for the Moody Blues.
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Originally posted by Shadowyzard Shadowyzard wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Probably that working pros have a great career doing what they want and getting paid for it.   Doesn't really work that way.
I couldn't be sure what you mean here. I have my strong guesses, but I'd rather be sure. Can you clarify please?

I guess what I'm saying is nothing is what it seems, and frankly even the working musicians I know, the ones who have no recording deal and are lucky to book a few regular gigs, are not necessarily living their best life.   As for the bigger artists, there's a price.   Suddenly you have to deliver, big time.   It can be a burden that turns making music into a full-time job.


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When I was a kid, I had an annoyingly loud voice. My mum was literally turning her head towards some other directions when I was telling her something with enthusiasm. Then, I became a teenager... I was thinking that I have a super talking and singing voice, until... I recorded my voice to a cassette. It was a massive frustration... Then, I worked on my vocal technique (by myself) at university, and became an accomplished amateur singer. AND my voice became annoyingly loud again. I was warned many times by my teachers, during our free intervals because of this; while everyone of us were chatting. Even when speaking normally, my voice was always loud. But my teachers also were giving me the job of reading texts to the class.

Now, I accept myself as I am. No complaints or anything...

I think maturity is a good thing. Who would want to live with their wrong assumptions forever?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2021 at 16:34
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Probably that working pros have a great career doing what they want and getting paid for it.   Doesn't really work that way.


Good point that. I never felt remotely good enough to be a pro musician but had it seemed realistic at the age of 18 or so, I may have made the mistake to jump into it. Quite happy that I didn't.
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I wasn't aware about the bass drums, and that drummers play with their feet as well as their hands. So, while I was air drumming, I was accompanying everything with my hands.
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