The lost Van der Graaf Generator album |
Post Reply | Page 12> |
Author | ||
BaldFriede
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10261 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
Posted: October 17 2019 at 17:21 |
|
As already mentioned before Jean and I created the lost Van der Graaf Generator album between "Pawn Hearts" and "Godbluff" by combining the five tracks from the Peter Hammill solo albums "Chameleon In the Shadow of the Night" and "The Silent Corner and the Empty Stage" on which all four band members play. We called the album "The Silent Corner In the Shadow of the Night". The track list for the vinyl would have been: Side 1: 1) A Louse is not a Home 12:13 2) (In the) Black Room / The Tower 10:56 Side 2: 1) Red Shift 8:11 2) Rock and Role 6:41 3) Forsaken Gardens 6:15 We finally created a cover for it. Here it is: The silent corner is of course the left one where there is no rustling of the leaves of the trees in the wind. We like how the stars somehow spotlight that silent corner. What is your opinion on our lost VdGG album, both music and cover?
Edited by BaldFriede - October 17 2019 at 17:33 |
||
BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
||
AFlowerKingCrimson
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 18300 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Did you send a copy to Peter Hammill yet?
|
||
Barbu
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 09 2005 Location: infinity Status: Offline Points: 30850 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Well done. I like the cover but I would have started with Red Shift instead of Louse and add at least one song from Nadir.
Red Shift Nobody's Business Black Room Forsaken Rock and Role Louse |
||
BaldFriede
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10261 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
We wanted the album to be released early 1974, so stuff from "Nadir's Big Chance" was out. We liked the idea of "A Louse is not a Home" being the closer though, so we swapped sides and also swapped tracks on the new side 2. So the track listing is now: Side 1: 1) Red Shift 8:11 2) Rock and Role 6:41 3) Forsaken Gardens 6:15Side 2: 1) (In the) Black Room / The Tower 10:56 2) A Louse is not a Home 12:13 |
||
BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
||
TheH
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 18 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1152 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
I don't think Banton plays on "Red Shift"
|
||
Barbu
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 09 2005 Location: infinity Status: Offline Points: 30850 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Better flow and more cohesive imo. Yes, I like it. I will listen tonight. |
||
BaldJean
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
he is not easy to hear in the loud passages; in the quieter passages the organ can more clearly be heard
|
||
A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
||
Sean Trane
Special Collaborator Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20250 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
you've not placed anything from In Camera, but surely Gog/Magog should find a space, despite being entirely played by Peter.
|
||
BaldJean
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
no. the rule was only tracks on which the whole band plays. but Gog/Magog is certainly an excellent track
|
||
A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
||
miamiscot
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 23 2014 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 3574 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
What a great idea. What a great album!!! I love it.
|
||
jamesbaldwin
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 5989 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
In my opinion German Overalls is much better than Red Sky! Red Sky is not a real great song instead German overalls is masterpiece.
With German Overalls (where Jackson and Banton play) in the place of Red Sky it would be maybe the best singer - songwriter album ever. |
||
Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
|
||
BaldJean
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
you probably mean "Red Shift". I love that song, especially the lyrics. what a great idea to use the red shift in star spectra, which shows that they move away from us (due to the Doppler effect; the further away a star is from us the bigger the red shift and thus the bigger the speed at which it moves away from us, which is generally interpreted to indicate that the universe expands), as a metaphor for people moving away from the singer
|
||
A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
||
moshkito
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Online Points: 17527 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Hi,
This is too weird ... at the time, before GODBLUFF came out, I believe that one of the comments we had heard was that it would be a double album, and my thoughts are/were that this album would have contained BOTH GODBLUFF AND STILL LIFE ... which ended up being released as single albums apart from each other. I'm inclined to believe that these were released as single albums BECAUSE OF THE AMERICAN MARKET, for which PH and VdGG were still new ... and I don't think the record company wanted to risk an expense that would hurt the artist and the record company .... these are my thoughts, and only PH would be able to add more, but I think that he is too nice, and will not say anything about it at all ... unless it comes out in an autobiography after he passes away from us ... (gawd that thought makes me cry right now!). I still think and hear the same feelings in both of these albums ... whereas these being combined with PH's solo stuff is crazy ... things like "The Lie" and "Red Shift" and even "Modern" do not quite sound like Godbluff or Still Life to my ears ... maybe better recorded and cleaned up, which SC and ES seems to be more home recorded than it does studio refined ... almost ... at least by comparison!
Edited by moshkito - March 20 2022 at 06:49 |
||
Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
www.pedrosena.com |
||
Grubert
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 20 2020 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 131 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Very interesting. Actually I did create such an album for myself already long ago, despite the fact that The Silent Corner is one of my favourite albums. And it is in that form also one of my favourite albums. I have this burned on CD and hear it very often. But I made it with a different order, which has a perfect flow for me: Side 1: 1) (In the) Black Room / The Tower 10:56 2) Forsaken Gardens 6:15 2) Rock and Role 6:41 Side 2: 1) Red Shift (single version) 8:02 3) A Louse is not a Home 12:13 bonus track: Gog 7:39 I also respected the fact that such an album would have been released as LP, and I took for Red Shift the different single version from the Italian single. Which has less of the added sound effects, and sounds more Vandergraafish by that. I added Gog for my hearing pleasure, and cause it was so often played live by the band, that it has become a "real" VdGG song. And it feels in the studio already very much like a VdGG song, despite that only Hammill and Evans are on it. Of the others only Red Shift was never played live by the band, and especially Black Room and Louse belong to the band, as they were part of their live set already in 1972, directly before their split, and then again in 1975 after their reformation. Edited by Grubert - December 16 2020 at 01:03 |
||
Grubert
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 20 2020 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 131 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
He does, but I think he does not play on Rock and Role, but instead Nic Potter on bass.
|
||
BaldJean
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
nope; that's Hugh Banton on bass
|
||
A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
||
Grubert
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 20 2020 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 131 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Are you sure about that? My infos about who plays on which track on Chameleon would be that Jackson played on German Overalls, Rock and Rôle, What's it Worth, Easy to slip away and Black Room. Banton only on Black Room Evans on Rock and Rôle and Black Room Potter on Rock and Rôle and Easy to slip away I'm actually at the moment not sure where I got this from, it is also what the Wiki site says, but of course that might be wrong too. I remember that a few years ago I thought that Potter also plays on Black Room. What about the next album? All 4 play on the 3 tracks here used for this compilation, but Banton also plays on The Lie. That at least true?
Edited by Grubert - January 20 2020 at 03:52 |
||
BaldJean
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
I just checked it, and you are right; it is Nic Potter
|
||
A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
||
Grubert
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 20 2020 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 131 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
Ok, you hear this by listening to the songs? Or do you have a reliable source for that? Just checking the CD booklets and The Book, and they don't tell me anything specific about it. Edited by Grubert - January 20 2020 at 05:27 |
||
Grubert
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 20 2020 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 131 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
|
In the summer of 1972 VdGG toured for a short time through Italy with 3 new songs in the set, and I think these would have formed the basis for a new album, which was intended for the end of the year. Instead they split, and 2 of the newbies appeared on the next 2 PH Hammill solo albums, but the 3rd one called "Roncevaux" was never again played by the band, nor properly recorded. And that's a shame. "Roncevaux" only appeared in a pretty poor audio quality on the anti-compilation Time Vaults. For that Hammill had added in 1982 the vocals to a heavily distorted rehearsal recording, which surely was never intended to be released. I always wished VdGG had recorded this forgotten gem for their comeback album Present, an album I really love, but it had needed one great track as last song instead of the more or less mediocre "On the Beach". Another thing I always wished is, that they had released in 1972 the 3 live-in-the-studio tracks, they already had recorded for the intended Pawn Hearts double album, as an LP. Well so many bands which disbanded, released a live album as a farewell (actually in 1978 VdGG did the same). Of course it seems VdGG had nothing recorded live then, but they could have recorded quickly some more live-in-the-studio stuff, enough for an LP. To have e.g. Aquarian and Afterwards in the live versions, like they exist on some lo-fi live tapes, that would be a pleasure. Edited by Grubert - January 22 2020 at 05:59 |
||
Post Reply | Page 12> |
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |