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^ A uniform 22 one star ratings across 6 sub genres smacks transparently of disingenuous reviewing.

Any decent financial counsellor would urge him to stop buying albums he should know beforehand he is going to heartily loathe. Confused

I've PM'd him accordingly and am deleting the reviews now


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Perhaps a member should not be allowed to rate 50 albums the first day they are here. It might cut down on this type of abuse??
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^ Yeah possibly but we want to treat the members as adults and hope they respond in kind (this guy will probably add more 1 star ratings only reviews faster than I can delete themUnhappy)
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I appreciate you taking him to task for his great introductory contribution.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AtomicCrimsonRush Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2011 at 22:21
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

^ A uniform 22 one star ratings across 6 sub genres smacks transparently of disingenuous reviewing.

Any decent financial counsellor would urge him to stop buying albums he should know beforehand he is going to heartily loathe. Confused

I've PM'd him accordingly and am deleting the reviews now


That just makes me angry that a guy gets on here and rates Dream Theater and Phideaux among other masterpieces only 1 star.... AngryAngryAngryAngryAngry


But 5 stars for your deletion of this freak-waste-of-space

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^ I second that
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sean Trane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 24 2011 at 14:18
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:


To me this is blatant abuse. How a person can join the site yesterday and this is what you get today.

http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=38205&listreviews=rate&showall=true#reviews

 
Don't know about this... I haven't everyone of these albums, but from the ones I have heard, these ratings don't sound all that unreasonable... Let's face it, none of these albums would rate above three stars in my book....  and I don't see the shadow of an album that would find its place in the PA Top2000
 
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It is a long way between 1 star and 3 stars
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I haven't checked all of these albums but from the ones I have looked up his pattern seems to be to pick the highest-rated album(s) for a given artist and rate all of those with 1 star.  Many of these have 4+ star average ratings from the rest of the reviewers.


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Partisan or otherwise, anyone who rates Love Beach above Talisma, French TV, Black Widow, Steven Wilson, Anubis and Umphrey's McGee has their head so far up their backside that we could probably see three adam's apples.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

LEB I SOL Rucni Rad (rating only)
 DEZO URSINY Pevnina detstva (rating only)  

 
Don't know about this... I haven't everyone of these albums, but from the ones I have heard, these ratings don't sound all that unreasonable... Let's face it, none of these albums would rate above three stars in my book....  and I don't see the shadow of an album that would find its place in the PA Top2000
 
You can't be partisan about this...

Common Sean, you can't be that harsh on these two particular albums Confused

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1 stars HAKEN Visions (rating only) 
1 stars DISCIPLINE To Shatter All Accord (rating only) 
1 stars FREQUENCY DRIFT Ghosts (rating only) 
1 stars DEEEXPUS The King Of Number 33 (rating only) 
1 stars DODHEIMSGARD 666 International (rating only) 
1 stars VITAL DUO Ex Tempore (rating only) 
5 stars BANDA ELÁSTICA Banda Elastica 2 (rating only) 
1 stars D SOUND Kisember (rating only) 
1 stars AUTOGRAPH (AVTOGRAF) Autograph / Автограф (rating only) 
1 stars RAM Where (In Conclusion) (rating only) 
1 stars THORK Weila (rating only) 
1 stars MOTORPSYCHO Timothy's Monster (rating only) 
1 stars KBB Proof Of Concept (rating only) 
1 stars KINGBATHMAT Fantastic Freak Show Carnival (rating only) 
1 stars ALAS Mímame Bandoneón (rating only) 
1 stars MIKE KENEALLY Hat. (rating only) 
1 stars HAGGARD And Thou Shalt Trust.....the Seer (rating only) 
1 stars SIDDHARTHA Trip to Innerself (rating only) 
1 stars A BARCA DO SOL Durante O Verão (rating only) 
1 stars 5UU'S Abandonship (rating only) 
1 stars TIPOGRAPHICA Floating Opera (rating only) 
1 stars FAR CORNER Endangered (rating only) 
1 stars ASTURIAS Bird Eyes View (rating only) 
1 stars EDGAR FROESE Dalinetopia* (rating only) 
1 stars KARDA ESTRA Constellations (rating only) 
1 stars RISHLOO Eidolon (rating only) 
1 stars BLACK WIDOW Return To The Sabbat (rating only) 
1 stars 2066 & THEN Reflections On The Past (rating only) 
1 stars MIKE KENEALLY Boil That Dust Speck (rating only) 
1 stars AMPLIFIER The Octopus (rating only) 
2 stars MYRATH Tales Of The Sands (rating only) 
1 stars SEAN FILKINS War and Peace and Other Stories (rating only) 
1 stars INTROITUS Elements (rating only) 
1 stars CREDO Against Reason (rating only) 
1 stars KARFAGEN Lost symphony (rating only) 
1 stars JOSEPH MAGAZINE Night Of The Red Sky (rating only) 
1 stars SUNCHILD As Far As The Eye Can See (rating only) 
1 stars ALBATROS Ursus (rating only) 
1 stars LEPROUS Bilateral (rating only) 
1 stars AGENTS OF MERCY The Black Forest (rating only) 
1 stars WHITE WILLOW Terminal Twilight (rating only) 
1 stars SANHEDRIN Ever After (rating only) 
1 stars ARCH / MATHEOS Sympathetic Resonance (rating only) 
1 stars CALOMITO Cane di Schiena (rating only) 
1 stars GUY MANNING Margaret's Children (rating only) 
1 stars HOSTSONATEN Summereve (rating only) 
1 stars FEN Epoch (rating only) 
1 stars THY CATAFALQUE Rengeteg (rating only) 
1 stars VARIOUS ARTISTS (CONCEPT ALBUMS & THEMED COMPILATIONS) Decameron: Ten Days in 100 Novellas (Part 1)(rating only) 
1 stars THE TANGENT COMM (rating only) 
1 stars EGONON Risveglio (rating only) 
1 stars AGORA Regresa Al Vértig

Evidently this guy does not get it.......I think he should be gone
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^ he posts from Iceland where English is widely spoken as a secondary language and is a part of the compulsory school curriculum, so I've sent another PM giving him the benefit of the doubt as a non english speaker but if he persists I'm just gonna suspend him for a while. I've got better things to do than second guess why Nordic plankton fail to advise they have unlimited access to a music library/would have us believe they buy so many albums they should know they're gonna loathe beforehand. If Santa ever delivers useful practical pressies, he might wanna put that stocking over Asmsva's head and leave a pair a boxing gloves.Ermm
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Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

LEB I SOL Rucni Rad (rating only)
DEZO URSINY Pevnina detstva (rating only)

Don't know about this... I haven't everyone of these albums, but from the ones I have heard, these ratings don't sound all that unreasonable... Let's face it, none of these albums would rate above three stars in my book.... and I don't see the shadow of an album that would find its place in the PA Top2000
You can't be partisan about this...

Common Sean, you can't be that harsh on these two particular albums Confused

As I said, I haven't heard a lot of these albums, and certanly not these two you mention
 
And to answer someone else... there is also a lot of difference between my three stars and someone else's five stars... I'm generally considered as one of the more conservative raters on the site, but I've got no problem seeing someone rate lower either...
 
However I must say that I've been unable to see if this rater's other ratings... since I don't know his username from the post I quoted... So if those are his only ratings, then, yes, there is a problem.... If these are only his 1* star ratings out of 550 other ratings, then I don't have a problem with it...

Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

I haven't checked all of these albums but from the ones I have looked up his pattern seems to be to pick the highest-rated album(s) for a given artist and rate all of those with 1 star. Many of these have 4+ star average ratings from the rest of the reviewers.


You might have a point BobWink, but I can't really judge right now (reasons stated above my quote of you), but....
 
Well, if you take the Black Widow album he rated, it's not exactly the highest rated albums of these artistes...
 
Neither are the latest DT , Discipline or Flairck release (both which suffer heavy fanboyism ratings, due to novelty)... and I've been postponing for months now reviewing my two French TV albums, because I hesitate a lot to giving only 2* to them
 
And I can't agree with anyone giving Karda Estra or Miriodor (but 3rd Warning is my least fave) one star, but I do agree with his possibility of thinking and stating so
 
 
 
And come on, the Froese latest album with such high rating??? Isn't that a joke in its own right??
 
 
 


Edited by Sean Trane - December 26 2011 at 05:13
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OK Hugues, I overlook the part where you said that you haven't heard many of them. But you know, the two I mentioned seems to be somehow better for your tastes (it's a wild guess, as I don't know you well). Nevermind, it doesn't matter.


But about these ratings

Perhaps a thing I proposed in past - we have warning, of course

Quote <www.progarchives.com>


PROG ARCHIVES REVIEWS GUIDELINES WARNING


Before assigning a star rating to an album, you should carefully consider what the differing numbers of stars stand for.Please use "one" and "five star" ratings very sparingly -- most albums you dislike will have at least some positive qualities, and not every album that you enjoy will be a perfect "masterpiece."

But it shows only for 5 stars, not for 1 star. It talks about 1 star and 5 star rating, but it should be shown for 1 star as well.



Here's my take on ratings:

Normally, I would be all for gauss curve (like you have for IQ), but here I don't think 3 stars should be the most used rating. That would be true if I (let's tell it from my perspective) was listening all kinds of albums, those I know I will like, but also those I know I WON'T LIKE. You get my point ? But I usually don't listen albums I think I will not like, I prefer those groups I know, those genres I like already and when I sink into unexplored waters, I do it carefully and usually pick the best loved of the genre, or those someone will recommend me.

The point here is that I don't listen all albums, mostly those I know I will like. Why not, there are thousands albums out there, so it's logical to chose those I think I will like over those I know I won't like. More so, I usually don't rate/review album I don't like, because it's simply not worth of it (only if I am very displeased by it), so I usually even don't get 1-2 star ratings, because I don't listen such albums ...

Then it's easy to get high average ratings of genres in my profile.

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Mmmhhh... I understand where you're getting at, of course...
 
And needless to say that no-one listens to an album 100 times before deciding he doesn't like it... Sooo, negative reviews are often less constructive, but they're still valid... but one knows instantly if an album is insufferable and has no chance for you to like it someday
I have heard some albums dozen time... to finally decide I like it, or didn't care too much for it (in which case, it gets between 2 and 3 *)
 
And to be honest, when I see an album on PA with high rating average, I'll probably read more carefully the low-rated reviews, because I find suspicious new releases albums with too good ratings
 
4,67 collective average for the latest Froese?? let's get serious, will you?? No-Froese solo album should be above 4* average rating..
 
 
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Does anyone have this member's username? because the link given in that post I quoted is life less even when copy-pasting...
 
 
 
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Edited by Sean Trane - December 26 2011 at 07:43
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^ Yes, suspicious new releases ratings, too good to be truth :-) They're one of the worst thing here, because the devaluation of ratings is then big. We know such albums when we see them, but we usually don't have enough evidence (or any evidence at all) to put stop to it.

You know, Froese isn't the biggest problem, usually it's one of the more mainstream genres ... you know which ones.

Most of the times, I simply wait for someone from left column to make a review, those who were elected into some kind of status (proven themselves) are honorable enough not to be fanboys without critic eye (or in rare moments they at least admit it).

Honor to all those who are trying to make objective and honest reviews in a right column, but the number of fake ones breaks it all, unfortunately.

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*Or alternatively, I wait for my favourite reviewer.
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Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:


Here's my take on ratings:

Normally, I would be all for gauss curve (like you have for IQ), but here I don't think 3 stars should be the most used rating. That would be true if I (let's tell it from my perspective) was listening all kinds of albums, those I know I will like, but also those I know I WON'T LIKE. You get my point ? But I usually don't listen albums I think I will not like, I prefer those groups I know, those genres I like already and when I sink into unexplored waters, I do it carefully and usually pick the best loved of the genre, or those someone will recommend me.

The point here is that I don't listen all albums, mostly those I know I will like. Why not, there are thousands albums out there, so it's logical to chose those I think I will like over those I know I won't like. More so, I usually don't rate/review album I don't like, because it's simply not worth of it (only if I am very displeased by it), so I usually even don't get 1-2 star ratings, because I don't listen such albums ...

Then it's easy to get high average ratings of genres in my profile.




I´m with you on this Marty. I don´t have any urge to listen to music that I know I won´t like. Simple as that. It shows in my reviews, because I tend to write about 4 star albums - and maybe the occasional 3 star. It´s not because I like everything, but because I use my reviews as recommendations - meaning I have to like it myself.
I think I´ve got around 4000 albums - and it would take me years upon years to write about them all - so I choose to write about the special ones, and try to store those magical masterpieces for a rainy daySmile
Why spend your time listening to something that really isn´t your bag? To become a musical martyr and save the rest of us from such sonic crap? I don´t buy that at all...
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