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ExittheLemming
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^ A uniform 22 one star ratings across 6 sub genres smacks transparently of disingenuous reviewing.
Any decent financial counsellor would urge him to stop buying albums he should know beforehand he is going to heartily loathe. I've PM'd him accordingly and am deleting the reviews now Edited by ExittheLemming - December 23 2011 at 18:12 |
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timothy leary
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Perhaps a member should not be allowed to rate 50 albums the first day they are here. It might cut down on this type of abuse??
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ExittheLemming
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^ Yeah possibly but we want to treat the members as adults and hope they respond in kind (this guy will probably add more 1 star ratings only reviews faster than I can delete them)
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timothy leary
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I appreciate you taking him to task for his great introductory contribution.
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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That just makes me angry that a guy gets on here and rates Dream Theater and Phideaux among other masterpieces only 1 star.... But 5 stars for your deletion of this freak-waste-of-space |
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timothy leary
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^ I second that
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Sean Trane
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Don't know about this... I haven't everyone of these albums, but from the ones I have heard, these ratings don't sound all that unreasonable... Let's face it, none of these albums would rate above three stars in my book.... and I don't see the shadow of an album that would find its place in the PA Top2000 You can't be partisan about this...
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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timothy leary
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It is a long way between 1 star and 3 stars
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ClemofNazareth
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I haven't checked all of these albums but from the ones I have looked up his pattern seems to be to pick the highest-rated album(s) for a given artist and rate all of those with 1 star. Many of these have 4+ star average ratings from the rest of the reviewers. |
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ExittheLemming
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Partisan or otherwise, anyone who rates Love Beach above Talisma, French TV, Black Widow, Steven Wilson, Anubis and Umphrey's McGee has their head so far up their backside that we could probably see three adam's apples.
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Marty McFly
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Common Sean, you can't be that harsh on these two particular albums |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
-Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
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timothy leary
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Evidently this guy does not get it.......I think he should be gone
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ExittheLemming
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^ he posts from Iceland where English is
widely spoken as a secondary language and is a part of the compulsory
school curriculum, so I've sent another PM giving him the benefit of the doubt as a non english speaker but if he persists I'm just gonna suspend him for a while. I've got better things to do than second guess why Nordic plankton fail to advise they have unlimited access to a music library/would have us believe they buy so many albums they should know they're gonna loathe beforehand. If Santa ever delivers useful practical pressies, he might wanna put that stocking over Asmsva's head and leave a pair a boxing gloves.
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Slartibartfast
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The PA hit squads are on their way. Oh wait, I wasn't suppo
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Sean Trane
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As I said, I haven't heard a lot of these albums, and certanly not these two you mention And to answer someone else... there is also a lot of difference between my three stars and someone else's five stars... I'm generally considered as one of the more conservative raters on the site, but I've got no problem seeing someone rate lower either... However I must say that I've been unable to see if this rater's other ratings... since I don't know his username from the post I quoted... So if those are his only ratings, then, yes, there is a problem.... If these are only his 1* star ratings out of 550 other ratings, then I don't have a problem with it...
You might have a point Bob, but I can't really judge right now (reasons stated above my quote of you), but.... Well, if you take the Black Widow album he rated, it's not exactly the highest rated albums of these artistes... Neither are the latest DT , Discipline or Flairck release (both which suffer heavy fanboyism ratings, due to novelty)... and I've been postponing for months now reviewing my two French TV albums, because I hesitate a lot to giving only 2* to them And I can't agree with anyone giving Karda Estra or Miriodor (but 3rd Warning is my least fave) one star, but I do agree with his possibility of thinking and stating so And come on, the Froese latest album with such high rating??? Isn't that a joke in its own right?? Edited by Sean Trane - December 26 2011 at 05:13 |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Marty McFly
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OK Hugues, I overlook the part where you said that you haven't heard many of them. But you know, the two I mentioned seems to be somehow better for your tastes (it's a wild guess, as I don't know you well). Nevermind, it doesn't matter. But about these ratings Perhaps a thing I proposed in past - we have warning, of course
But it shows only for 5 stars, not for 1 star. It talks about 1 star and 5 star rating, but it should be shown for 1 star as well. Here's my take on ratings: Normally, I would be all for gauss curve (like you have for IQ), but here I don't think 3 stars should be the most used rating. That would be true if I (let's tell it from my perspective) was listening all kinds of albums, those I know I will like, but also those I know I WON'T LIKE. You get my point ? But I usually don't listen albums I think I will not like, I prefer those groups I know, those genres I like already and when I sink into unexplored waters, I do it carefully and usually pick the best loved of the genre, or those someone will recommend me. The point here is that I don't listen all albums, mostly those I know I will like. Why not, there are thousands albums out there, so it's logical to chose those I think I will like over those I know I won't like. More so, I usually don't rate/review album I don't like, because it's simply not worth of it (only if I am very displeased by it), so I usually even don't get 1-2 star ratings, because I don't listen such albums ... Then it's easy to get high average ratings of genres in my profile. |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
-Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
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Sean Trane
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Mmmhhh... I understand where you're getting at, of course...
And needless to say that no-one listens to an album 100 times before deciding he doesn't like it... Sooo, negative reviews are often less constructive, but they're still valid... but one knows instantly if an album is insufferable and has no chance for you to like it someday I have heard some albums dozen time... to finally decide I like it, or didn't care too much for it (in which case, it gets between 2 and 3 *) And to be honest, when I see an album on PA with high rating average, I'll probably read more carefully the low-rated reviews, because I find suspicious new releases albums with too good ratings 4,67 collective average for the latest Froese?? let's get serious, will you?? No-Froese solo album should be above 4* average rating.. ------------------ Does anyone have this member's username? because the link given in that post I quoted is life less even when copy-pasting... .
Edited by Sean Trane - December 26 2011 at 07:43 |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Marty McFly
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^ Yes, suspicious new releases ratings, too good to be truth :-) They're one of the worst thing here, because the devaluation of ratings is then big. We know such albums when we see them, but we usually don't have enough evidence (or any evidence at all) to put stop to it. You know, Froese isn't the biggest problem, usually it's one of the more mainstream genres ... you know which ones. Most of the times, I simply wait for someone from left column to make a review, those who were elected into some kind of status (proven themselves) are honorable enough not to be fanboys without critic eye (or in rare moments they at least admit it). Honor to all those who are trying to make objective and honest reviews in a right column, but the number of fake ones breaks it all, unfortunately. |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
-Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
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Marty McFly
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*Or alternatively, I wait for my favourite reviewer.
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
-Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
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Guldbamsen
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I´m with you on this Marty. I don´t have any urge to listen to music that I know I won´t like. Simple as that. It shows in my reviews, because I tend to write about 4 star albums - and maybe the occasional 3 star. It´s not because I like everything, but because I use my reviews as recommendations - meaning I have to like it myself. I think I´ve got around 4000 albums - and it would take me years upon years to write about them all - so I choose to write about the special ones, and try to store those magical masterpieces for a rainy day Why spend your time listening to something that really isn´t your bag? To become a musical martyr and save the rest of us from such sonic crap? I don´t buy that at all... |
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