Quo Vadis Ukraine?

Prog-jester wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: I'm prepared to accept that some of the things I take for granted may in fact be propaganda yet you never did this once jeez this is so funny

aah so this is how it works? You're posting a russian propaganda trope, I'm pointing it out, you're posting another, I'm debunking it too, and instead of being thanked for that I'm getting a rude "you are not capable of rational discussion" + a weak and vague "I have made many rational arguments in this thread"???

Let me guess, the next one will be smth like "I can't be arguing with you mere mortals online all the time, I have a real life to live, buh-bye"???

And I thought this thread couldn't get funnier

obviously the only thing I find funny is how you're avoiding facing the music. Odd

Gotcha, take care!

MikeEnRegalia wrote: .... I blame our leaders, on both sides. They all profit from the war, and that is a terrible crime. If they were sent to the front lines instead, the war would end today...

It sounds quite funny - semi-criminal russian chunta attacked independent country of Ukraine, killing thousands, destroying the land, Ukraine leaders are fighting for their people, their country, their freedom, and you blame them same way, as putin, who started this war?


Do you blame Swedish police (and army now) trying to take under control Stockholm suburbs same way as criminal immigrant gangs starting the real war on the streets of the country, which let them come and became their new home?

MikeEnRegalia wrote: .. your description of what happened in Ukraine ignores the geopolitical dimension. Sure, ignore all that if that makes you feel better ...

I feel pretty well as everyone in the Western civilization who defends his world values against Eurasian barbarians :)

what is a geopolitical dimension of russian aggression against the Ukraine in your book?

snobb wrote:   I feel pretty well as everyone in the Western civilization who defends his world values against Eurasian barbarians :)

MikeEnRegalia wrote: snobb wrote:   I feel pretty well as everyone in the Western civilization who defends his world values against Eurasian barbarians :) Well done, dehumanizing the enemy is what all evil regimes have done. You're surely helping to bring about the ultimate solution. After all, the problems would be solved if all the russian subhuman scum was dead, right?

most probably, in modern world it isn't possible ^ :))

on a serious note, I glad to see you calling russians "enemy"

Europe still have the chance to survive:)

RE: video

OK, I see the point probably. At informative level, I can't see what is wrong with it, this information is generally well known. Probably, more important, how you see the geopolitical situation.

Not sure, how long you've been living in russia, Ukraine, former SU, etc, because only this experience give you the knowledge what Eurasian mentality is. If you lived there for some years or decades (as me), you most probably know, that russains (as nation and culture) see and understand the world differently from Westerners. Don't want to go deeper in their quasi-spirituality,etc.etc, the subject is well known especially for russophiles.

main thing is - them are NO WAY European civilization (even if have some attributes of it), and in todays world they experience existential crisis, trying to survive. Being less and less attractive and more and more (self)isolated, they uses their traditional solution - the war against more liberated(less Central-Asian mentality -rooted nations). It, first of all, consolidates russian themselves and shows them at least a target, why their world still exists.

The Ukraine was chosen as easier (and more ideologically accepted) target, but there could be Georgia (again), Japan (there was some info that initial target was exactly Japan) or Poland and Baltics.

russia needed to start the war just to unsure old empire existence, and Ukraine was just a choice from few. Inall, it's a battle between Western and Eurasian civilizations, it just happens on the Ukraineland

Edited by snobb - October 11 2023 at 01:39

russia isn't a superpower at all - Soviet Union (incl. Ukraine among others was)

russia is a local power, true, country's economics is of Italy's size (and smaller than California alone)

they WANT to feel like if they are superpower (one of the reasons they attacked Ukraine),but they are not and will hardly ever be. they are regional power, more and more controlled by China, which is a real superpower.

US don't really care much about Ukraine itself - geopolitically, they care much more about China and Middle East. Ukraine is more Europeans problem, but US is participated as much as as they need to help Western partners.

For Europeans it's a painful war, since if russia will win, they will never stop. (Still non-NATO) Sweden will be probably next step - them looks easiest victim for now. Russia fights not because of territories alone, for hundred years, from Dutchy of Moscovia times, their state basis is their lands expansion by war. russian state never had other grand-idea, united huge territories, populated with people of different origin, religions and social status (for a short time it was the idea of world's communist revolution in a form of USSR though - unsuccessfully)

If they have now war - they have civil war, internal revolution, rebellion (smuta) - all that destroy the empire's unity, Great Russia idea.

Edited by snobb - October 11 2023 at 02:56