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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2012 at 08:08
I've never heard the first album, as when I first started reading about the band on the internet, the consensus seemed to be that it wasn't worth the trouble of finding (at the time, copies were in the $30 - $50 range on Ebay, as it wasn't widely available on CD....or vinyl for that matter).  Even Borneman seemed to dismiss it.

Anyway, after reading reviews here, I feel like I need to check it out.  My favorites are Dawn and Ocean, and I haven't really found anything close in their discography.  I still don't have The Power and the Passion, though I have a compilation with half the album on it.  Same with Inside and Floating.  Guess I need to get cracking, as I don't have the Live album either Embarrassed  I'm not fond of Colours or the albums after Planets/Time to Turn (both of which I really like).  Tides Return Forever is a decent album, along with Ocean 2 (both are 3 star albums in my view).

In my defense, back in the late 90's when I started to pick up Eloy albums, most of those were simply not available or too expensive for me to consider (if I saw them anywhere, it was as expensive imports......$20 plus).  Since then I have  bought hundreds of albums by various prog bands past and present, so Eloy kind of took a back seat.  I now see that everything I am missing is on Amazon, mostly rather cheap in price.

So is the first album something I should get before or after the other ones I mentioned?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2012 at 08:14
Out of the albums you mentioned you haven't heard yet, you probably wouldn't want to choose the debut over `The Power and the Passion', and certainly not `Inside' and `Floating', or even `Live'! How about `Silent Cries and Mighty Echoes'?

In other words, pretty much fill in the gaps between `Inside' up until `Colours', then perhaps go for the debut. As you mentioned, much of this stuff is a lot cheaper now (on nice remastered CD's with lovely booklets and bonus tracks), and I'm pretty sure that debut is much more affordable and easily available than it ever was before!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2012 at 09:46
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Here we go, CCVP!

Eloy - Horizons:

Sunbeams dancing in your mind
Blue larks embracing sunlight
Lotus of petals glistening
Cool shade of wise trees listening
Dawn of light lies between silence chased amid Fusions of wonder

Revealing corridors of time
pictures of redescending distance
Love colours sent within us
our endless caress for freedom.

Yes - The Reaveling Science of God:

Dawn of light lying between a silence and sold sources,
Chased amid fusions of wonder,

in moments hardly seen forgotten,
Coloured in pastures of chance dancing leaves cast spells of
challenge,
Amused but real in thought, we fled from the sea whole.
Dawn of thought transfered through moments of days underseaarching
earth
Revealing corridors of time provoking memories, disjointed but with purpose,


OK, so it's only a `little' rip-off, but undeniable!

When I listened to the album again last night, I noticed how much `Horizons' sounds like several of those Alan Parsons Project instrumental tracks that were always on their first few albums!

IDK, I don't think they are so similar, even though there is some.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2012 at 11:57
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

IDK, I don't think they are so similar, even though there is some.

"Dawn of light lies between silence chased amid fusions of wonder" is such a specific phrase, there is no way it wasn't ripped off. Likewise, the bonus track on Colours, "Wings of Vision", quotes the beginning of "Firth of Fifth" pretty much verbatim.

Speaking of Eloy, I still find their Colours album absolutely brilliant, but Ocean does very little for me. Terrible singing (and worse enunciation), unbelievably ridiculous lyrics and way too much 'atmospheric' padding that never goes anywhere. Too bad, because all four songs have great parts once they get going. Dawn is better, but a lot of it doesn't rise above the level of acceptable jamming.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2012 at 16:05
Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

IDK, I don't think they are so similar, even though there is some.

"Dawn of light lies between silence chased amid fusions of wonder" is such a specific phrase, there is no way it wasn't ripped off. Likewise, the bonus track on Colours, "Wings of Vision", quotes the beginning of "Firth of Fifth" pretty much verbatim.

Speaking of Eloy, I still find their Colours album absolutely brilliant, but Ocean does very little for me. Terrible singing (and worse enunciation), unbelievably ridiculous lyrics and way too much 'atmospheric' padding that never goes anywhere. Too bad, because all four songs have great parts once they get going. Dawn is better, but a lot of it doesn't rise above the level of acceptable jamming.
 
I'm not saying that there is no refference at all, you know. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2012 at 16:53
Well okay, I thought you were saying the similarity is coincidental.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2012 at 11:49
Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

Well okay, I thought you were saying the similarity is coincidental.


LOL, it was definitely NOT coincidental.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2012 at 14:10
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Out of the albums you mentioned you haven't heard yet, you probably wouldn't want to choose the debut over `The Power and the Passion', and certainly not `Inside' and `Floating', or even `Live'! How about `Silent Cries and Mighty Echoes'?

In other words, pretty much fill in the gaps between `Inside' up until `Colours', then perhaps go for the debut. As you mentioned, much of this stuff is a lot cheaper now (on nice remastered CD's with lovely booklets and bonus tracks), and I'm pretty sure that debut is much more affordable and easily available than it ever was before!


Yeah, I have Silent Cries and like it a lot (though the Floyd similarities are pretty heavy on the first two tracks....which really doesn't bother me at all).  Yeah, I think Inside and Floating are next for me, followed by The Power and The Passion.

Tides Return Forever and Ocean 2 have a few good tracks but veer a little too much towards the Ra sound for my taste (Ra is another one I have.....but that one I just can't listen to after trying to get into it when I first go it.....just not the Eloy I enjoy).  The repetition that happens on some of those songs is just irritating.  The first 4 tracks on Ocean 2, however, are fantastic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2013 at 03:49
Just reviewed - MORE ELOY!

1988 - Ra

 Ra by ELOY album cover

3 stars 

Eloy's "Ra" has a very strong 80s aroma, with those synthy drums, tons of spacey keyboards and echoed vocals. It is not half as bad as some of the dross churned out in the late 80s and really deserves more credit than it gets here. There is prog on tracks such as Invasion of a Megaforce, that thankfully has nothing to do with the "Megaforce" movie trash. It has a lovely melody on the well executed 'Rainbow'.

It has a great driving rhythm on 'Voyager of the Future' and a nice proggy intro with birds whistling, dialogue about a new chapter of mankind's history, and angelic vocals.The synth sequencer screams the 80s but it is a cool vibe, and the guitars are layered with twang, but the drums are mixed by an 80s engineer of course, never a good thing. The melody on the opening track is certainly an Eloy signature, it is the music that has changed over the years.

The songs are overall forgettable but while it is playing the album has a pleasant vibe, everything is crystalline production and upbeat musical atmospherics such as spacey keys on 'Sensations', the fretless bass of 'Dreams' and the reverberating electro drums and snyth lines of 'Hero', along with its extended lead guitar break. Bornemann is still with the band and lends his unique vocals to the sound. Michael Gerlach is still here on keys, but the rest are guest musicians and singers, so it was not really a band in their prime; but they survived!

There are no bad songs really but nothing jumps out and bites this reviewer as being anything more than a good song with some interesting musical structures. I guess the first track is the stand out along with 'Invasion of a Megaforce' with its Yes like vocals and style. I like the lead guitar work on the album by Bornemann especially on 'Hero', and the lovely vocals of Annette Strangenberg on 3 songs. This is an atmospheric album, by no means their worst, and as such is worth a listen for all Eloy fans.



1992 - Destination

 Destination by ELOY album cover


3 stars Eloy's "Destination" is another of the 90s album that saw the band completely change from their prog symphonic roots to embrace the new heavier 90s sound. It is not too bad considering the change over in sound, and in fact it has some excellent songs such as the first three on the album, 'Call Of The Wild', 'Racing Shadows' and 'Destination'. The sound is definitely 90s of course with clean production, reverberating and distorted guitars and overlayed keyboards.

'Silent Revolution' has a nice drone giving it a dark edge, and the keyboards are haunting, sounding like pan pipes; 'Picnic at Hangnig Rock' springs to mind. Then it blazes along with fiery guitar riffs, a heavier sound from Bornemann. His vocals are terrific on such songs where he powers out the vocals with passion. This is definitely one of their heavier songs, and produced when metal was hyper popular. The lead break is incredible followed by chimming keys; a towering performance. Then it ends with a children's choir "we are the future race"; such an epic structure on this song based on saving the planet and shaming humankind for destroying the world with pollution and steel structures.

Other songs include the sparkling guitars on 'Fire And Ice', with a grand melody and musicianship, 'Eclipse Of Mankind', that features a steady pace, metal drum style and endearing vocals, and finally operatic bombastic music on 'Jeanne d'Arc'. It is an enjoyable album and worthwhile, though not purely progressive, during this transformation period of the band.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2013 at 04:09
Back to greatness and masterpiece status with this treasure

1977 - Ocean

Eloy Ocean album cover


5 stars The act of uppermost magic has begun, Impulses working on and on, Movement here and there, Vibrations Move The Atmosphere!

"Ocean" is the most revered and famous album from Eloy and close to the best the band has produced, but for me the best album is "Floating" which is also a masterpiece of prog. "Ocean" is certainly an adventurous album with an over emphasis on Frank Bornemann's strained vocals and an over indulgence of the incoherent concept and narrations which is not necessarily a good thing, but it works for the most part. The band are at their best when they take off into full blown keyboard and guitar solos and there are plenty on offer here. This album relies heavily on atmospherics and symphonic soundscapes and is wonderful headphone music.

There are only 4 songs but they all feature incredible musicianship and a heavy concept that has something to do with the lost city of Atlantis and Poseidon's power with the divine Logos. The story focuses on the rise and fall of the great mythical city of Atlantis, depicting its creation and its destruction. It throws in the dawn of civilisation, and how it became corrupted by greed, power and lust and finally after the gods had taken all they could take, they proceed to destroy the city to rubble on June 5th 8498 at 13 pm.

"Atlantis was the island's name, greatest treasury of all times, human eyes didn't ever see the same, silver and gold, fertile hills, woodlands and plains, it was situated in front of the strait they call "The Columns of Herakles", Kleito was the daughter's name, a princely virgin of clearness and love, so Poseidon fell in love with her and built a shrine on the mountains above surrounded by a golden wall and inside he placed his holy law."

The first track is the wonderful 'Poseidon's Creation' that takes off immediately with the narrations and symphonic sounds. After a gentle intro the Hammond blasts in and a rhythm builds in to the main riff. Bornemann's guitar soloing is stellar and it is layered over with another solo blending together perfectly. The bassline is fabulous from Klaus-Peter Matziol and the keyboard skills of Detlev Schmidtchen are superb. The track really gets going at about 8 minutes when the band go into full flight in an instrumental of musical genius. This is an excellent uplifting start to this album.

"The act of uppermost magic has begun, Impulses working on and on, Movement here and there, Vibrations Move The Atmosphere! Transcendental forces penetrate The planet we call Earth, and all spheres of the universe All the elements burst!"

'Incarnation of the Logos' drifts in with effortless keyboarding from Schmidtchen and compelling musical textures helped by Matziol's bass and Jürgen Rosenthal's percussion. There are loads of spoken dialogue scattered on here but Bornemann sounds pleasant on vocals. The mellotron soaked background music builds eventually into some dynamic metrics, especially the bassline. At about 3:50 the rhythmic pulse quickens and it becomes majestic and I particularly like the melody line. This one grew on me over time and became another of my favourites. The next vocal section is a mediocre point of the album but the synth laden melody saves it.

"From the upper sea of the setting sun, you submit all mankind to toe the line, To toe your line, You commit your frightful arms against the palaces and treasures of our mind, Our innocent mind, That's why you should remember, The duty that's required by your life, Or is it true that you did surrender, Your only possibility to survive?"

My favourite track is 'Decay of Logos; with terrific singing and a powerful structure of melodic themes and soloing. The main melody is well executed and again grows on me with every listen. Indeed side 2 of the album is even better than the first side which is excellent in its own right.

"A mind power made the rocks sink, And by this power the mass of stones will surface again, Legends kept the secret of their wisdom, And soon it will all be revealed, soon it all will be revealed, 1983, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88."

'Atlantis' Agony At June 5th - 8498, 13 p.m. Gregorian Earthtime' begins with a lengthy passage of 'tron and voice over and then a tolling bell that builds into a stormy spacescape. The band are at their most inventive here, and do not hold back on the atmospherics and effects. The synth dominates in the opening passage, until about 8 minutes when drums and Bornemann's vocals chime in. He sounds great here and the rhythm is steady with some inventive drumming patterns and pulsing bass. There is a divine twin keyboard solo that takes things to another level. The section at 13 minutes is fantastic music, with a spacey nuance and swathes of mellotron.

Overall this album is a magnificent slice of space rock featuring an awesome display of musicianship. I can see how the overbearing narrations and concept may not appeal to all, but for 1977 this one stands out well above the rest. It is definitely well worth checking out as an example of one of the best and proggiest from the amazing extensive discography of Eloy.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2013 at 05:47
Scott, was really happy to see you, and I think it was Octopus, if I recall correctly, both gave `Ra' a fair show and decent rating in the last day or two. I really quite like that album, and it usually draws a very volatile negative reaction from many fans!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2013 at 02:41
All good Aussie BB Thumbs Up

back to a mediocre album now though Ermm



Performance - 1983

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2 stars Eloy's "Performance" is ironically their worst performance coming out during the turbulent years in 1983 with a revolving door policy of membership. Really the only good thing about it is Bornemann's guitars and occasionally his vocals sound like vintage Eloy. The songs are mediocre and it is replete with filler songs and throwaway material. Not everything is a complete waste of course as the band have so many ideas and great melodies. The stand out tracks are obvious with the great power rock of 'Disguise', although the tinny production of synth drums and too many keyboards is very dated. 'Shadow and Light' is another terrific track with some fine guitar riffs and even the keys are not as cheesy; Bornemann's vocals are wonderful when he is fired up like this.

'Mirador' is a forgettable keyboard driven instrumental that is 3:44 too long in length. There are pink Floyd riff offs such as the driving rhythm guitar and synth of 'Heartbeat'. The intro is sparkling keys that are too bright to remain interesting after a few listens, and the melody is fairly ho hum. 'Fools' is a rock song that the band loved to do live, and it just rocked along, but you won't find any prog here. For that matter it is difficult to find any prog at all on the entire album.

'A Broken Frame' ends things on a better note with atmospheric spacey keys and cool Blade Runnner drone. Bornemann's vocals are gentle and well executed at first. It is a lengthy song with many things going on. It locks into a steady rhythm with some effective keyboard motifs, but it never gets out of that rhythm for variation's sake. The lead guitar break is dynamic and one of the best on the album so all is not lost.

Overall this is an album with about 3 tracks that are worth savouring, the rest is a bit of a hodge podge of dated 80s synth mush, only a tad under par from the disappointing "Metromania". It is what it is and of course Eloy went onto better albums. They survived amidst the turmoil of the 80s along with Rush and Yes, who also felt the pressures, though remained enthusiastic under critical fire, and their sound suffered as badly as Eloy. 2 stars awarded for the odd good track, but this is bottom of the barrel as far as Eloy are concerned.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2013 at 03:03
Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

All good Aussie BB Thumbs Up

back to a mediocre album now though Ermm



Performance - 1983

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2 stars Eloy's "Performance" is ironically their worst performance coming out during the turbulent years in 1983 with a revolving door policy of membership. Really the only good thing about it is Bornemann's guitars and occasionally his vocals sound like vintage Eloy. The songs are mediocre and it is replete with filler songs and throwaway material. Not everything is a complete waste of course as the band have so many ideas and great melodies. The stand out tracks are obvious with the great power rock of 'Disguise', although the tinny production of synth drums and too many keyboards is very dated. 'Shadow and Light' is another terrific track with some fine guitar riffs and even the keys are not as cheesy; Bornemann's vocals are wonderful when he is fired up like this.

'Mirador' is a forgettable keyboard driven instrumental that is 3:44 too long in length. There are pink Floyd riff offs such as the driving rhythm guitar and synth of 'Heartbeat'. The intro is sparkling keys that are too bright to remain interesting after a few listens, and the melody is fairly ho hum. 'Fools' is a rock song that the band loved to do live, and it just rocked along, but you won't find any prog here. For that matter it is difficult to find any prog at all on the entire album.

'A Broken Frame' ends things on a better note with atmospheric spacey keys and cool Blade Runnner drone. Bornemann's vocals are gentle and well executed at first. It is a lengthy song with many things going on. It locks into a steady rhythm with some effective keyboard motifs, but it never gets out of that rhythm for variation's sake. The lead guitar break is dynamic and one of the best on the album so all is not lost.

Overall this is an album with about 3 tracks that are worth savouring, the rest is a bit of a hodge podge of dated 80s synth mush, only a tad under par from the disappointing "Metromania". It is what it is and of course Eloy went onto better albums. They survived amidst the turmoil of the 80s along with Rush and Yes, who also felt the pressures, though remained enthusiastic under critical fire, and their sound suffered as badly as Eloy. 2 stars awarded for the odd good track, but this is bottom of the barrel as far as Eloy are concerned.

 
This album is cool. The next album is crap though. Metromania has crap drum sound
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2013 at 04:07
Ha! I much prefer the albums `Metromania', `Performance', `Ra', etc over `Destination', they at least still sound like they have vague sci-fi concept to them! None of them are oustanding, but there's enough spacey trademarks, nice guitar/synth moments and plenty of charming Frank's vocals to win me over! Probably more AOR than prog, but I have a soft spot for them!

I'd love to make my way through the back-catalogue and review all their albums too, Scott! We'll see....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2013 at 05:45
I had no idea they were this old. I have been checking out their music by listening to a few samples on Amazon, completely unaware that I was listening to albums from the 70's. I just thought they were a modern retro band. Now you have me wanting to listen more intently. At first I thought 70's prog was the only real prog but these days there are some very good bands out there. I'd love to "discover" something new from the 70's.

Right, I am off to Amazon for another listen.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2013 at 07:42
^^^ awesome to see new Eloy fans getting hooked.


This is the Eloy setlist for 2013- a concert in Jan 24th

Eloy Setlist at Ringlokschuppen, Bielefeld, Germany


 



I like it a lot!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2013 at 08:57
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Ha! I much prefer the albums `Metromania', `Performance', `Ra', etc over `Destination', they at least still sound like they have vague sci-fi concept to them! None of them are oustanding, but there's enough spacey trademarks, nice guitar/synth moments and plenty of charming Frank's vocals to win me over! Probably more AOR than prog, but I have a soft spot for them!
 
Same here, I enjoy Performance and Metromania a good deal. It's those great synths and melodic songs. Yes, I like Frank's accented vocals, too. One of my favorite bands.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2013 at 03:59
I can recommend The Legacy Box featuring some nice archive footage and interviews (in German but subtitles available). Could have done with more earlier footage (most is 1977 onwards) but still very interesting. They were invited to play The Marquee club by the BBC in the mid eighties when they were probably at the height of their popularity in the UK. After that they split up and twas never the same again.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2014 at 23:57
I'm just getting into Eloy. I plan to go through this thread more thoroughly, but, right now, I'm just enjoying the sound-worlds of Ocean and Silent Cries And Mighty Echoes (these are the only albums I have right now).

I have the following on order:

Inside
Floating
Passion and the Power
Dawn
Colours
Planets
Time To Turn
Tides Return Forever
Ocean 2: The Answer
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2014 at 00:51
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

I'm just getting into Eloy. I plan to go through this thread more thoroughly, but, right now, I'm just enjoying the sound-worlds of Ocean and Silent Cries And Mighty Echoes (these are the only albums I have right now).

I have the following on order:

Inside
Floating
Passion and the Power
Dawn
Colours
Planets
Time To Turn
Tides Return Forever
Ocean 2: The Answer

Spot on choice. The others are 3 stars are worse so you will have the essential stuff.
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