Your Prog Rock Hot Takes

Zappastolethetowels wrote: Logan wrote: JD wrote: Prog spelled backwards is Gorp, and that is seriously close to the sound people make when I play them Univers Zero's Heresie. I have liked to use the term gorp for regressive (retro, backwards) Prog. I once tried to burp but could only manage a gorp. The 70's decade of prog is now a "gorp"??

More modern Prog genre music that emulates/ copies the Progressive Rock of the 70s is what I would have called gorp -- music with retro qualities, regressive (backwards) rather than progressive.

Edited by Logan - November 28 2023 at 16:33

The Big Generator is a top-five Yes album

verslibre wrote: Stopping with Heavy Horses means you miss out on Stormwatch, A and The Broadsword and the Beast.

I don't like either of those

verslibre wrote: David Gilmour's self-titled is the best solo album from a Floyd alum.

100% agree

Zappastolethetowels wrote: Big Sky wrote: Cristi wrote: Big Sky wrote: Cristi wrote:   Let's not start with this Big this and big that, it does not help anyone with anything.  Cristi, The thread was about Hot Takes. Not one thing was said "except for not to be included." That's my hot take. Don't care what you think should be posted in a thread. I wasn't tell you what to post and what not to, just that a big 6 conversation on this thread is not a good idea (not a good idea in general if you ask me, but anyway...).  It's a thread about "Hot Takes." In general a thread on such a subject might not be a good idea. One member called Rush "trite" and "uninspired" when they attempted to play Prog. That's a take that could get the hackles up on big Rush fan. I disagree with the take as I think Rush's best stuff was when they went all out Prog. So be it. That's his take. I could have said Neil Peart is overrated as a drummer, David Gilmour is not much more than an average guitarist who gets rated highly because he has a decent melodic sense and good tone and that any rock guitarist who is said to be the greatest would purely on technical ability get dusted by a third year classical guitar student at say Juliard or Peabody. I think Logan summarized the intent of such a thread up top to a valid degree. Based on your responses to Cristi, you appear to dislike the topic only when somebody starts to dust your band. I don't care if Rush hackles go over, under, sideways, or down because I stand by my opinion that Rush (up to Caress or FBN, whatever it was) did trite and uninspired 'prog'. What many consider their "classic period" sounds nothing different to me than what was to become prog metal (by numbers). Someone mentioned earlier I exaggerated the sameness of latter day metal, and that's prob true, but I left that genre after hearing enough of those same records in the first place

You have quite completely misread why I first responded to Cristi as well as my subsequent posts. It was not because he "dusted" a band I liked. It was his response to my "Hot Take" that there was no place for me making a Hot Take on who the Big Six were as there was no value in that and it could only make the thread go sideways. Cristi could have said my Post was wrong as everyone knows that the Big 6 of Prog are Can, PFM, VDGG, Happy the Man, Soft Machine and Styx and I would not have said anything or posted that is an interesting take.

MY POINT to Cristi was a thread about "Hot Takes" was in itself not really of any intrinsic value and that certain hot takes could ruffle some posters feathers. I only mentioned your post on Rush as an EXAMPLE (which I now regret) because, they are very popular AND if someone is an unabashed fan of the band they may get bent out of shape with such a take. I just said I disagreed (really nothing more than a passing comment) but it was your hot take. Could not care less that you think Rush are trite or uninspired or the worst band ever (that's why I added So Be It. Your post didn't bother me). It's all subjective. However, I'll make sure I don't use a post of yours as an example in the future so that you don't misread what I posted about.

Logan's post pointing out a thread like this doesn't really have any intrinsic value but that it's interesting what hot takes posters may have that go against the norm was spot on, mentioning my take on the Big 6 had it's place in this thread, counter to what Christi believed. And I agreed.

Edited by Big Sky - November 28 2023 at 17:42

Grumpyprogfan wrote: Big Sky wrote:  Also, I will take Kansas City BBQ over a French croissant any day of the week. Hell yeah! Jack Stack, Joe's, Q39, or Gates?

It's been awhile since I traveled to Kansas City. But, I have been to Joe's, great bbq. I have not been to the others. Slap's is quite good to mention another one.

"The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" is like a Peter Gabriel solo album. Thus, with "A Trick of the Tail," Genesis went back to themselves; the latter is their best album.
Steve Hackett's "Voyage of the Acolyte" is also a better album than "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway."

"The Gates of Delirium" is a better Yes' side-long track than "Close to the Edge," the song. "Going for the One" is Yes's best album, despite the album cover, as Hipgnosis artwork is nice per se but doesn't fit Yes' music; a Roger Dean's illustration would have done justice to the masterpiece.

"Brain Salad Surgery" is ELP's finest hour.

Jethro Tull's "Too Old to Rock 'n' Roll: Too Young to Die!" is a magnificent but criminally underrated concept album.

Jackal3000 wrote: It's a hot take that Anderson left the band. I thought the band left him!

Zappastolethetowels wrote: ^^^ @Big Sky Again, I don't think Christi showed concern with anything you said, and they can throw out suggestions against derailing a thread; I don't see an issue with that. Also, I don't understand how me mentioning Rush applies to YOU taking issue with someone else's remark (about a big name list mind you). People can list their top 6's if they feel it necessary, and people can also not put Rush in their top 10 prog bands list if they don't like their music (like me).  Either I can't read your words, despite going through your claims several times, or you are too ignorant to acknowledge the implications of things you already said (I'm not hallucinating; I believe you said you regret singling me out, and I couldn't be more thankful! )

I spent a career explaining technical details to juries, complex cases to AUSA and DAs etc. I've put it in simple terms that they can get, used diagrams, power-points, etc, etc. You don't get it. It happens. Very Rare, but it does happen. But, to be fair, I'll explain one last time to you why I used your post in my response to Christi.

Ie. Christi thought I should not have posted my hot take ( Big 6 take) as he implied it could derail the thread ( it's not helpful to use his words). I stated any post in a thread named Hot Takes could derail this thread if it was controversial or unpopular enough.

Hot Takes is asking for a contrarian post. I used yours as an example, because Rush is popular here (thus much more likely to get a responses) and your take is quite the take as far as Rush is concerned. I would think that you would agree with that. If you would have said Rush's best album was Moving Pictures or Hemispheres that would not have been a Hot Take and would have just gotten a collective shrug.

My point to Christi was if my take is not helpful (thus no place for it in this thread as he implied), then why not the post on Rush or any hot take for that matter. That's why I pointed out to Christi would he have felt better if my hot take was Peart was overrated, Gilmour not much more than an average guitarist and a 3rd year classical guitar student would dust your rock guitar hero that was proclaimed the best in the world. Would those takes be anymore helpful? The thread is Hot Takes. They are contrarian opinions. If there is a possibility a take may set you off maybe you should stay away from the thread.

There is no intrinsic value in a thread like this, but taken in the right spirit, can be fun and of interest seeing where various members fall on some subjects. That's why I responded to him complaining about my take. He was not receiving my take in the spirit that this thread was intending. And if my post was a problem, then why not others. If he would have disagreed with my take on the Big 6 instead of implying it had no place here, I would not have said anything.

Thus why I used your take in my response to Christi. You do understand that Rush's most popular period not only on a Prog site like this but, any site covering Rush will be the period from 2112 to Moving Pictures, which is their Prog period. I thought your take had been the most daring and contrarian take up that point. Thus, I used your post to point out to Christi that how was my post anymore contrarian than the take you made and if my post could derail a thread, why not others and used your take as an example. Could have used any other post and in hindsight should have concerning how my post set you off. That's why, I have mentioned several times now, over several posts, I regret using your post, so that you GET IT. I also said I thought your post was quite contrarian. In fact I thought it was quite a good take, even if I disagreed with it and even said "so be it" that it did not bother me, it was your take (opinion).

But, what are the "implications" you are alluding to? Would you have felt better with me responding directly to your original hot take instead of responding to Christi bringing your post into the discussion as I have expressed the reasons for repeatedly?

Here are the Bullitt points for you:

1) I have no issue with your take. That's why I did not respond directly to your original take on Rush.
2) I thought your take was a nice contrarian take, even if I disagreed with it. It's why I said it did not bother me
3) If Christi did not like my Big 6 take, implying it could derail this thread and thus did not have a place in this thread, then couldn't the same be said for any take and used your take as an example.
4) I let Christi know that I did not care if he thought my take had no place here. If he does not like what I post, I suggest he ignore me.
5) I regret using your take in my response to Christi as obviously you are quite sensitive to my use of the take.
6) Knowing your sensitivities, I will never use any post of yours going forward in responding to anyone else.
7) Going forward, it probably will be just a good idea not to respond to any post of yours.