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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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'Harp and carp, come along wi'me, Thomas the Rhymer',
'Harp and carp, come along wi'me, Thomas the Rhymer'. |
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Barbu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 09 2005 Location: infinity Status: Offline Points: 30855 |
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Yes, I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes, You'd know what a drag it is to see you. |
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silverpot ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 19 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 841 |
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One thing is obvious though, never before, have so many had an opinion about the reciever of the prize. Never before have so many been able to discuss it.
I bet that most of you here normally have never heard of the awarded author beforehand. How many have you read? And how many do you remember after a few years? Elytis? Seifert? Bunin? I'm pretty certain that Dylan will still be able to speak to new generations at least 50 years from now. |
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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I can only say three words to defend this man: Blonde on Blonde.
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Vompatti ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: October 22 2005 Location: elsewhere Status: Offline Points: 67452 |
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He's made some decent albums but I think the problem is he's barely a poet and not a novelist at all.
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Barbu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 09 2005 Location: infinity Status: Offline Points: 30855 |
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More than 3 hours without any bitchin'...Wow!
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20660 |
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I'll drink to that........
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Just read Mario Vargas Llosa's opinion
Despite the great merits of Dylan as a singer and composer, I agree with Vargas Llosa |
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Magnum Vaeltaja ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 01 2015 Location: Out East Status: Offline Points: 6777 |
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Hmm, if they're going to start giving Nobels for prolific popular songwriting, then I guess Max Martin will be a shoo-in for next year.
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when i was a kid a doller was worth ten dollers - now a doller couldnt even buy you fifty cents
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Online Points: 65606 |
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It's enough already. It's become obsessive. Is it worse giving the Literature Prize to Dylan decades after his best offerings than the Peace Prize to Obama before he'd done much? Al Gore? Yasser Arafat? At least Dylan earned it with a lifetime of important work. Years from now I have little doubt history will embrace his recognition.
Shame. |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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No it's not enough already. He wasn't given the Peace prize, he was awarded the prize for Literature, the Peace prize has long since degraded itself as a political award. Regardless of what anyone thinks of Dylan as an artiste the fundamental question of whether a song's lyrics are Literature (with a capital "L") remains. After 100 years of ignoring lyrics and lyricist the Nobel commission now thinks they do, many of us disagree, not because Dylan isn't worthy or that his lifetime achievement is without merit, or lacks the "idealism" stipulated by Freddy Nobel in his bequeathment, but because song lyrics are not at the same literary level of poetry in pretty much the same way as greeting card verses aren't.
If the award had been given to a different singer-songwriter or lyricist would those defending Dylan be so vocal?
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Online Points: 65606 |
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^Probably not. That's the point.
As to song lyrics, I agree that, as a form, they are not poetry or literature. But the award goes to Dylan's contributions to the language arts, not as a writer per se. He is not a writer, but by that standard JK Rowling is more deserving of the award which though perhaps true, would probably raise as much controversy for different reasons. But if, as you say, the Peace Prize has long since degraded then why do we care about the Literature Prize? I mean should we try to save its credibility by condemning the decision, or should we now discard it as well? Just asking. |
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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This is a confused defence. If the lit prize is roobish too as old Boycs would have said, why does it matter so much to Dylan fans that he got the 'recognition'? If you really believed the Nobel lost all credibility regardless of category, you wouldn't care about people offering reasons, logical reasons at that and not "cuz Dylan sucks" arguments, why he shouldn't have been given the prize. It's a valid argument to make and unless the lit prize does indeed jump the shark in the future and give it to um Chetan Bhagat, the argument will probably be repeated years from now as well. Remember there were people who thought the objections to Obama getting the prize were narrow minded and nitpicky.
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Online Points: 65606 |
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^ I think I just said that.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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I don't believe any lyricist should be awarded with the Nobel. But the one that gets closer to that status is precisely Dylan. I'm more worried for the precedent, next year may be Cat Stevens or Sir Elton John and that would worry me even more.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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I agree on every point except the last. Pandora's Box has now been opened, so all lyricists are eligible regardless of what you anyone thinks of any particular song-writer (see above). |
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Online Points: 65606 |
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Good point, though I suspect the next Nobel Lit award will most certainly not go to a songwriter, especially after the backlash. |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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This opens the precedent for all future Nobel prizes. Next year they could award the Nobel in Chemistry to Keith Richards (which would be at least somewhat more deserving).
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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^And Medicine as well for reviving dead tissue.
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timothy leary ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
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Congrats Bob Dylan for your lifetime achievement.
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