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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2011 at 11:03
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Mike maybe you know the answer to this.

I've read that high cholesterol is much more likely to be caused by fat intake. Since the liver naturally produces cholesterol, and regulates its production according to the body's dietary intake, consuming food high in cholesterol (eggs are what I'm thinking of) is actually not that detrimental . Any truth to this?


High cholesterol is a complex topic. For one, it's not all that clear that high cholesterol is always a bad thing. Typically what people are interested in when it comes to cholesterol is the risk for atherosclerosis and cardio-vascular disease. But there are actually much better indicators for that risk than total cholesterol - there's LDL, HDL, LDL/HDL ratio, LDL type (small dense vs. large fluffy), and triglycerides.

As for your specific question: Yes, dietary cholesterol is not really important. If you eat less cholesterol, the liver will simply synthesize more, and vice versa. Cholesterol medication typically works by inhibiting this synthesis in the liver, so if you take those medications *and* reduce dietary cholesterol then your total cholesterol may go down. But, as I said above, that won't help you too much when all those other health markers don't change.

As far as dietary fat is concerned: It depends a lot on which type of fat you eat. Some fats raise LDL, some raise HDL, some raise both, some have altogether different effects. Carbohydrates raise triglycerides and lower HDL (bad), saturated fats lower triglycerides and raise HDL (good). Wacko

In a nutshell: Try to keep triglycerides low, and try to maintain a favorable LDL/HDL ratio. You can do this by lowering LDL (e.g. mono-unsaturated fats lower LDL), raising HDL (replacing some carbs with saturated fat raises HDL, but may also raise LDL), or both. My recommendation would be eat more healthy fats instead of some of the carbohydrate in your diet. As I already said, animal based fat is  a combination of saturated fat, mono-unsaturated fat and a little polyunsaturated fat - the saturated fat component would raise LDL and HDL, the mono-unsaturated fat would lower LDL, and the reduction in carbs would lower triglycerides and raise HDL. Sounds good to me. And if you're still skeptical, you can always change your diet for a month and then do a blood panel.


My blood work is fine. I actually diet a lot according to your recommendations. I eat lots of meat, very little carbs, with nuts and wild berries. Thanks for the input though. I'm wary of any health recommendations I read on the internet. Though I suppose I just read this on the internet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2011 at 13:21
^ well, of course you can trust *me*.Big smileWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 19 2011 at 21:49
OK, I'm officially getting healthy.  Reducing portion sizes, not eating absolute junk, more fish, a lot more veggies, a lot less carbs.  A bit of exercise a few times a week.  Wish me luck.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2011 at 01:27
^ Sounds reasonable. Here's some more things you can try:

1. Intermittent fasting

Mark recently posted an up-to-date summary of the benefits:

The cool thing about fasting is that it's easy to do every once in a while, and it lowers your average caloric intake in a natural way, without necessarily lowering your metabolism.

I'm going to do the extended version of intermittent fasting this week: A protein sparing modified fast. On monday, tuesday, thursday and friday I'm going to eat only some protein (in the form of tasty protein shakes). It will be about 500 calories per day. On extended fasts it's important to eat some protein because otherwise the body will start to metabolize its lean tissue (muscle/organs), and we want to avoid that. We also want to avoid lowering metabolism, so I'm going to eat normally (or even a bit more than normally) on wednesday and on the weekend. But at the end of the week, I'll still have accumulated a nice caloric deficit. 

2. Workout/Exercise

You should try to do some strength training. You can either go to the gym, or do body weight workouts at home, or swim ... but the point is that 2-3 times a week, you should do some heavy lifting. Ideally, you combine these three elements:

1. Extensive low-intensity cardio workouts (the key is *low* intensity)
2. 2/3 Short (20-30 minutes) heavy lifting workouts per week
3. Twice a month: sprint/HIIT training, about 10-20 minutes

Obviously this is the Primal Fitness approach which I'm paraphrasing here - I fully endorse it, and IMO it's the optimum approach to general fitness and health.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2011 at 01:38
I heard a new study came out indicating that people who eat live longer!

I am always alternating between having a decent diet + exercise and having a crap diet and being lazy...
At least I have stuck with mainly drinking water.
I do hope to start exercising again (I always run but I want to more and hit the gym again) and finally tackle the diet.

Besides general health, I want to lose my cursed belly...any tips? Or just the usual better diet/exercise, and actually maintaining it. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2011 at 04:54
^ Try reducing carbs. You don't need to go Atkins, but just reducing the quantity of bread, pasta etc. and of course sugar is already a good thing (and your "drinking water" is a step in that direction). Replace it with meat (protein) and veggies, and you're good to go.

As far as exercise goes, see the previous post ... and also check out the first part (intermittent fasting). 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2011 at 15:41
So far so good, I've lost about 10 lbs. (maybe more) since I first posted.  Still a long way to go, but I've adapted pretty well to the lifestyle change.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2011 at 15:42
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

So far so good, I've lost about 10 lbs. (maybe more) since I first posted.  Still a long way to go, but I've adapted pretty well to the lifestyle change.


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I've lost 14 pounds in 3 months (since moving).  My wife has lost 17.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2011 at 15:45
Wow, you guys are doing great.  Yeah, not sure how much weight my wife has dropped but it's enough for me to notice that she's slimmer.

I'm still not exercising as much as I'd like but I'm definitely taking in way less calories, mostly by eliminating lunches which were probably on the order of 1000-1200 calories.  Great money saver as well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2011 at 15:49
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Wow, you guys are doing great.  Yeah, not sure how much weight my wife has dropped but it's enough for me to notice that she's slimmer.

I'm still not exercising as much as I'd like but I'm definitely taking in way less calories, mostly by eliminating lunches which were probably on the order of 1000-1200 calories.  Great money saver as well.


My wife is at the point where she can fit into her sexy clothes.  Big smile

I've done nothing different except reducing portion size and having less beer (not by choice on the latter!)- I haven't exercised once.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2011 at 18:19
Well i just jumped on this thread.  Started a diet about 2 months ago.  I am pretty conscious about breads but my wife likes pasta dishes and with kids hard to avoid that easy meal during the week we try to balance it out with  not using heavy sauces but low cal marinara .  I found some very low cal high fiber bread that we use for hamburger buns and sandwiches (2-3 times a week) and that has helped a lot.  I also got a great blender to make whole food soups and juices to eliminate the processed foods of the same kind (I use fresh veggies and frozen organic berries mostly) I am also going to use it to make pasta sauces to eliminate the store bought. The biggest challenge for us is to cut down on the wine intake.  Lots of useless calories in that.  To counter act it i found a very low cal low carb beer in Becks Light.  (I know doesn't have much taste but still) that  I can enjoy 2 or 3 of a night and limit our wine splurges to once a week or once every other week.  So what is the bottom line?  I have lost about 15 pounds in 2 months! Smile Really have cut down on portions.  But thanks to some info here Mike I am going to start looking to get rid of some more carbs.      

For exercise right now it is about 40 minutes of walking on and up and down terrain.  Not much else.  


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2011 at 18:27
I really need to start an exercise schedule, i tried running for the first time in years a couple of weeks ago and after about 300 yards of jogging i thought i was drained and having crampsConfused. I'm not fat though so i was surprised at how shockingly unfit i am. I definitely want to get into running again and improve my fitness over the summer because a swift jog causing that much paint can't be a good sign.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2011 at 08:03
I've been gaining a couple of pounds over the last two months ... I went off the low-carb diet even though I should have known better.

Here's what I'm going to do:

1. Cut portion size
2. Cut carbs
3. Cycle calories

Calorie cycling means that I'll try to alternate days of caloric deficits and days of caloric surplus and have the latter coincide with workout/exercise.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2011 at 08:30
Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

The biggest challenge for us is to cut down on the wine intake. 

I hear you on that brother.  Cutting down on wine and beer has been the toughest part.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2011 at 10:02
I guess I'll bump this thread with a report.

I have lost nineteen pounds since November.  My wife has lost twenty-one pounds since then.

Somewhat ironically, our impecuniousness has been paramount in our improved health.  Not being able to afford pizza three times a month or go to restaurants has certainly made a difference.  We eat meals consisting of beans or rice about three times a week.  We eat meat dishes about three times a week.  We eat a pasta dish about once a week.  I have been baking bread from scratch (the last loaf was bursting with flavor).  Unless it's cabbage or beans, our portion sizes are drastically reduced.  I still eat quite a bit of Ramen (but the way I cook it, most of the sodium and fat goes down the drain).  We're going to do a shepherd's pie tonight (comfort food for a cloudy day- it's supposed to storm here from 3pm until midnight).  I generally either skip breakfast or eat a bowl of grits.  My wife eats cold cereal.  Forty pounds between the two of us.  Smile

I swear though, when I get paid in May, we're going to Red Robin and I am going to gorge myself on beer, burgers, and endless fries.  Mark my words.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2011 at 03:33
Nice! Well, during the last three months I lost a little weight (4kg) and gained it back, but I also gained a lot of strength. I've been going to the gym, and a well known side effect of doing weight lifting is that it increases your appetite.

But there's a new development: Yesterday I finally decided to take my fitness efforts to a new level. I'll discontinue my gym membership and instead focus on bodyweight exercises. And if you're thinking "pushups" - that's only the beginning:


So I'll install a pull-up bar at my place, and maybe even some rings or wall bars. Add to that maybe a really heavy kettlebell for sumo deadlifts, and I'm ready to go equipment wise.

Here's a discussion that I had over at marksdailyapple concerning bodyweight exercise vs. weight lifting:



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2011 at 10:06
My update:  have lost about 16 lbs. now, pretty much all due to daily caloric deficit.  During the work week I probably take in less than 1000 calories a day (sometimes a wine or beer in the evening will bump that over 1k, though).  The weekend I allow myself to "cheat" somewhat.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2011 at 01:29
^ With such prolonged caloric restriction you need to be careful not to lose lean tissue (muscle). Are you working out on a regular basis? You should - not only to preserve lean tissue, but also to assess your strength and how it is developing.

EDIT: With such a severe caloric restriction you will find it difficult though to add serious workouts. My recommendation would be to switch to an alternating scheme of fasting and normal eating. For example you could fast on monday, wednesday and friday and eat normally in between. That would leave you with enough energy on the non-fasting days to work out, and it will also help spare lean mass even if you don't work out because you decrease the length of the phases with caloric deprivation.


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