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Textbook
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 05:26 |
Also, with a teenager today, I would stay well away from Genesis as a gateway band- young people can find them square. Teenagers probably want something hookier and heavier to begin with. Porcupine Tree and Dream Theater, well not my favourite bands, do work as a foot in the door. Going straight for Genesis and Yes, who can sound a bit twee and fey to modern ears, is probably not the wisest move.
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dantd95
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 05:39 |
I'm 15, and i love Genesis and Magma. though i still have that good old sense of fanboyism.
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yanch
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 06:37 |
I think a small handful of teens these days may be able to enjoy early Genesis, but not lots. My 2 sons-21 and 17-have heard lots of Genesis, and prog in general, for years, but you'd never get them to ask me to play any Genesis. As mentioned, they prefer heavier music. They prefer Rush, Tool, Liquid Tension Experiment, Dream Theater, etc. Interestingly enough, they do like some Pink Floyd-Wish You Were Here and Animals.
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Raredrumd
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 06:53 |
Wow, wouldn't it be nice to enlighten kids to prog? It would. Boy, I can't wait. Haha.
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yanch
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 07:50 |
I must admit that it is pretty cool when your kids stop and listen to what I'm listening to. The best has been going to concerts together of bands we all like. My sons, wife and I have seen Rush and Tool together.
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Ancient
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 08:03 |
14 years is good age for starting to listen to prog. The more melodic kind perhaps ... But it is not very fashionable, I'm afraid. If your daughter is not one who has to do like 'all the others' I can't see why she wouldn't like it. Guess it also takes a bit of a musical mind, a special interest in music. Prog is not background music. I tried to introduce prog to my sons, but hip hop was their thing. They called prog medieval rock.
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 08:46 |
yanch wrote:
I think a small handful of teens these days may be able to enjoy early Genesis, but not lots. My 2 sons-21 and 17-have heard lots of Genesis, and prog in general, for years, but you'd never get them to ask me to play any Genesis. As mentioned, they prefer heavier music. They prefer Rush, Tool, Liquid Tension Experiment, Dream Theater, etc. Interestingly enough, they do like some Pink Floyd-Wish You Were Here and Animals. |
They sound more up to date for sure, those bands, but my daughter hates heavy rock, she calls it Daddy's music.
But she enjoyed Genesis DVDs today and I am sitting here now with the songs stuck in my head "Jesus he knows me and he knows my life I been talking to Jesus all my life..." I cant get that out of my head, plus the riff to 'Turn it on again' I love that time sig change. Anyway the songs were cool enough to gain her interest. It could be worse. I could be sitting here with Hannah Montanah in my brain - agh!
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Conor Fynes
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 11:19 |
One sec, let me check my age...
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Oh yes! 17! And I like early Genesis.
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Mr. Maestro
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 12:26 |
I'm just 17, and I listen to the entirety of "Supper's Ready" every other day!
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CinemaZebra
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 12:54 |
I'm 14 and I love all Gabriel-era Genesis (with the exception of SEBTP), especially The Lamb. So yes.
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CyberDiablo
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 13:21 |
I'm just 15 but I really love Supper's Ready. (But I still prefer Yes anyway.)
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AmericanProgster
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 14:22 |
Might as well get my two cents in...
I was 12 when I first got into prog (I'm 19 now), and trust me I didn't just sit on the fringes of prog. The first three bands that put me under the prog spell were: Gentle Giant (I must stress this group above all), King Crimson, and Kansas. But prog groups that are easier to digest also played a big role in my prog world. These groups included: Angel (yes, they were prog!), Sparks, and Deep Purple (particulary those first three albums).
So with that said, I don't think you necessarily have to start with more accessible prog groups. Start with the more complex (and lets face it, even weirder) prog groups. Then work your way out until you get to the fringe of what makes a prog group.
And hopefully your daughter will, at the very least, appreciate the amazing world of PROG ROCK! (Whoo!)
Well, thanks for listening!
-AP
Edited by AmericanProgster - June 08 2010 at 14:24
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WalterDigsTunes
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Gerinski
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 15:23 |
The good thing with kids is you can still expose them to prog and hope they will like it.
We don't have kids, my girlfriend is 43 (me 44) and any hope is lost, she hates prog as much as I hate Barry White...
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Textbook
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 15:30 |
I'm three and a half years old and my favourite band is Opeth.
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CyberDiablo
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 15:37 |
Textbook wrote:
I'm three and a half years old and my favourite band is Opeth. |
Now that makes sense
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Conor Fynes
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 18:03 |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 19:05 |
AmericanProgster wrote:
Might as well get my two cents in...
I was 12 when I first got into prog (I'm 19 now), and trust me I didn't just sit on the fringes of prog. The first three bands that put me under the prog spell were: Gentle Giant (I must stress this group above all), King Crimson, and Kansas. But prog groups that are easier to digest also played a big role in my prog world. These groups included: Angel (yes, they were prog!), Sparks, and Deep Purple (particulary those first three albums).
So with that said, I don't think you necessarily have to start with more accessible prog groups. Start with the more complex (and lets face it, even weirder) prog groups. Then work your way out until you get to the fringe of what makes a prog group.
And hopefully your daughter will, at the very least, appreciate the amazing world of PROG ROCK! (Whoo!)
Well, thanks for listening!
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I can see your point and complex prog like Giant and Crimson are not so bad for younger listeners but of course I am just hoping she doesnt get into Jonas Bros and Hannah too much. If she gets into Giant I will be wrapped of course, ANY prog willbe a good thing, but it is one stone at a time we are turning here, and with theoverwhelming response to my humble thread , which i thought would get about 3 comments and be ended by the way , I am now educated - teens do INDEED listen to early prog such as Genesis and I think thats a fantastic thing. I am into a lot of weirder prog but dont expect my teens to get into that nor would I particularly want that. i think what attracts me to prog is the weirdness, that it is different, as soon as I heard Maudlinof te Well's Part the Second, I was amazed, or Astra's The Weirding, or Kraftwerk asa teen I knew I would love anti-radio music more than anything.
The radio is boring.
I will state that as a fact yet teens will be seduced by its spell. The lyrics too are disturbing when you hear things like London Bridge by Fergie - "And I’m like get up out my face, (oh s***) 'fore I turn around and spray your ass with mace. (oh s***) My lips make you wanna have a taste. (oh s***) You got that? How come everytime you come around, My London, London bridge, wanna go down like, London, London, London, wanna go down like, London London London Bridge" I would hate my daughter to be singing this.
or even Britney with her 'Touch Me' style lyrics, or Beyonce, or ...... you get my point - its all sexualised and confusing for the mind as they are all about being seduced or touched and the world is not like that at all yet artists make it appear that way and i is accepted.
I know when i was young the radio was not so blatant and more subtle, in the 70s they wouldnt be allowed to air such lyrics oreven the 80s. It gt worse through the 90s till youhear expletives on the radio and sexualised lyrics. Prog rarely disturbs me in that sense, Genesis mostly sing about love or fun things. Ocassionally as in 'Lamb Lies Down' Gabriel has a 'Touch Me' lyric but it is the exception to the rule, and in context of the story of Rael.
Rant over
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moshkito
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 19:47 |
Hi,
I don't think that one thing has anything to do with the other.
It all has to do with your respect and love for music and how you present it to the kids. We had a house with over 3k LP's of classical music and dad loved playing things loud. And after 10 years you get to "know" something about Stravinsky, Debussy, Mozart, Beethoven. And then I heard Ray Charles, Gilbert Becaud, and lots of Italian Opera ... and I'm sorry ... more than half of the progressive music listed is not progressive at all! Not even close! It's just copycat music!
If there is a serious issue today, it is because a sizeable percentage of folks that post here have not had enough music learning in their minds, thus making it very difficult for the kids to find out that there is something else out there ... all they know is the same stuff that their friends have in school ... and your wife tells you to turn it down when you play your stuff! (... so to speak ... good example!)
In the end, it depends on the house, and your appreciation for the arts, the music and film, and theater ... and I would say that too many folks don't!
So if a teenage can not enjoy Genesis, I doubt they are going to enjoy Puccini, or Verdi, or Vangelis or anything else ... whose fault is that?
Edited by moshkito - June 08 2010 at 19:49
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Conor Fynes
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Posted: June 08 2010 at 20:45 |
I don't think age on it's own has anything to do with taste; just the sort of things we have been exposed to.
This is also extremely broad, and sorta assumes that all teenagers think Miley Cyrus and Billy Talent are fantastic.
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