Author |
Topic Search Topic Options
|
lazland
Prog Reviewer
Joined: October 28 2008
Location: Wales
Status: Offline
Points: 13627
|
Posted: November 04 2010 at 10:11 |
From the ones I have:
Dark matter - Harvest of Souls Ever - Leap of Faith Frequency - Closer The seventh House - The seventh House Subterranea - The narrow Margin The Wake - Magic Roundabout
|
Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org
Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time!
|
|
Snow Dog
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: March 23 2005
Location: Caerdydd
Status: Offline
Points: 32995
|
Posted: November 04 2010 at 10:21 |
I don't want to turn this into a lists thread, but i'm interested in what everyone likes. I would agree obviuosly on Last Human gateway. To be honest I haven't decided yet on any others besides.Sacred Sound from Dark Matter. Quite like Corners from The Wake too.
Edited by Snow Dog - November 04 2010 at 11:04
|
|
|
rod65
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 28 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 248
|
Posted: November 04 2010 at 12:00 |
Snow Dog:
I agree that list threads are not that interesting, but also that it is nice to share opinions. I wonder whether we might give some indication of why we like what we like--not for every song as that would be cumbersome, but maybe for a few. Personally, I can say that I am appreciating The Seventh House more now than at any time in the past largely from having read and thought about comments on the album made recently on another IQ thread. Always open to have my appreciation expanded.
As for me, I'll note that my list, posted above, includes all three of the ~20 min. epics. I love to lose myself in long compositions. But more importantly, I'll add that Harvest of Souls strikes me as a much more mature and interesting composition than Last Human Gateway. Both are clearly composed with Supper's Ready very much in mind, but where the former does not really transcend its model, I think the latter does. I hear in Harvest of Souls, not so much imitation as conversation, as though the musicians are more actively responding to their jumping-off point, bringing more of themselves to the table. Both Supper's Ready and Harvest address religious ideas, but do so in different ways, with Harvest clearly addressing the issues of religion and power that defined so much of Bush/Cheney America. The heavenly vision of the first has become a dystopic vision in the second, not because of the ideals themselves but because of how people have misused them (and no, I am not making a push for Christianity here: I'm not religious). Musically as well, the echoes are not merely echoes: they are transformations also bound, I suspect, to the grimmer vision of IQ's song.
Anyway, I've probably gone on long enough. I hope some of you also choose to elaborate on a few of your choices, and look forward to whatever doors your thoughts might open in my own mind.
|
|
Snow Dog
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: March 23 2005
Location: Caerdydd
Status: Offline
Points: 32995
|
Posted: November 04 2010 at 12:09 |
I don't hear Suppers Ready in any song by IQ. I find these comments mysterious.
|
|
|
richardh
Prog Reviewer
Joined: February 18 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 28029
|
Posted: November 04 2010 at 16:28 |
Snow Dog wrote:
I don't hear Suppers Ready in any song by IQ. I find these comments mysterious. |
Harvest Of Souls does have a structure very reminescent of Suppers Ready but really in a much broader sense rather than a direct rip off as such. I do hear bits of The Knife in Sacred Sound but no one else agrees with me on that one
Martin Orford was actually very unhappy about the Genesis comparison and argued strongly against it.
|
|
yanch
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 03 2010
Location: Lowell, MA
Status: Offline
Points: 3247
|
Posted: November 05 2010 at 06:24 |
I don't really make the Supper's Ready comparison either. Yes, Sacred Sound is a terrific long song, but for me it is not related to Genesis' classic. I'll have to give Sacred Sound another listen, but I haven't made the Knife connection, but let's see. Clearly, IQ has shown they were influenced by Genesis, but they really have their own sound, and a fine one at that!
|
|
lazland
Prog Reviewer
Joined: October 28 2008
Location: Wales
Status: Offline
Points: 13627
|
Posted: November 05 2010 at 06:36 |
richardh wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I don't hear Suppers Ready in any song by IQ. I find these comments mysterious. |
Harvest Of Souls does have a structure very reminescent of Suppers Ready but really in a much broader sense rather than a direct rip off as such. I do hear bits of The Knife in Sacred Sound but no one else agrees with me on that one
Martin Orford was actually very unhappy about the Genesis comparison and argued strongly against it. |
Orford was right to be unhappy. Like Snow Dog, I find the comparisons utterly mysterious and bizarre.
|
Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org
Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time!
|
|
rod65
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 28 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 248
|
Posted: November 05 2010 at 13:29 |
lazland wrote:
richardh wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I don't hear Suppers Ready in any song by IQ. I find these comments mysterious. |
Harvest Of Souls does have a structure very reminescent of Suppers Ready but really in a much broader sense rather than a direct rip off as such. I do hear bits of The Knife in Sacred Sound but no one else agrees with me on that one
Martin Orford was actually very unhappy about the Genesis comparison and argued strongly against it. |
Orford was right to be unhappy. Like Snow Dog, I find the comparisons utterly mysterious and bizarre.
|
It's entirely possible that, having listened to Supper's Ready so often that it is imprinted on my brain, I tend to hear it in every long prog composition I encounter whether it is really there or not. Seriously, to my ear at least, Orford's touch in the keyboards often reminds me of banks, but not in a way that I can quantify. In Last Human Gateway, Nicholls sounds very much like Gabriel, a similarity that he has long since moved beyond, much to his credit. It is possible, therefore, that this similarity has led me to see hear more of Genesis in Gateway than is actually there. Regarding Harvest of Souls, my sense of similarity here has primarily to do with the themes addressed, the general feel on the keyboards in places, and the ebb and flow of the composition. As I said, though, I may be reading in what is not actually there. Probably, I shoudl give both epics a fresh listen.
|
|
rushfan4
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: May 22 2007
Location: Michigan, U.S.
Status: Offline
Points: 66263
|
Posted: November 05 2010 at 15:08 |
My alphabetical listening pattern brought me through IQ and after a brief respite with Iron Maiden and IZZ, the band Jadis has now landed on my MP3 player. I only have their debut More Than Meets The Eye, the deluxe version with 13 extra tracks, and their 2 latest Fanatic and Photoplay. Not surprisingly with Martin Orford and John Jowitt aboard there is a similar sound to IQ. Good stuff. I think that I might have to download the middle albums to give them a shot.
|
|
|
yanch
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 03 2010
Location: Lowell, MA
Status: Offline
Points: 3247
|
Posted: November 06 2010 at 07:39 |
Just finished listening to Dark Matter and confirmed my and other's feeling that there really isn't a Supper's Ready or The Knife sound on Harvest of Souls and Sacred Sound. The Genesis influence on IQ's music is there, but not any specific song. That said, I really enjoy this album, I find it one of their best from a playing, writing and production stand point. Some one mentioned Paul Cook's drumming in this thread and I must say he is marvelous on this. There are sections in Harvest of Souls where his drumming is just top notch!! Forgot how much I like this album!!
|
|
Snow Dog
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: March 23 2005
Location: Caerdydd
Status: Offline
Points: 32995
|
Posted: November 06 2010 at 07:48 |
Can anyone tell an ignorant man why Peter Nicholls left IQ after The Wake?
|
|
|
Andrea Cortese
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: September 05 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 4411
|
Posted: November 06 2010 at 07:56 |
My only experience with IQ is their last FREQUENCY album which I find very good.
So, which one next?
|
|
rushfan4
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: May 22 2007
Location: Michigan, U.S.
Status: Offline
Points: 66263
|
Posted: November 06 2010 at 08:13 |
I'd say either their first album The Wake, or their previous album Dark Matter should be the next.
|
|
|
lazland
Prog Reviewer
Joined: October 28 2008
Location: Wales
Status: Offline
Points: 13627
|
Posted: November 06 2010 at 12:52 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Can anyone tell an ignorant man why Peter Nicholls left IQ after The Wake? |
From memory, it was to pursue a professional career outside of IQ and recorded music, but there is a health warning attached to my memory, and I stand to be corrected
|
Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org
Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time!
|
|
Harry Hood
Forum Senior Member
Joined: August 15 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 1305
|
Posted: November 06 2010 at 23:12 |
Andrea Cortese wrote:
My only experience with IQ is their last FREQUENCY album which I find very good.
So, which one next? |
Subterranea. It won't click with you at first, but try it nonetheless. Then get Dark Matter. Then after being well acquainted with Dark Matter, go back to Subterranea. You'll finally get it and it will feel awesome.
Then Seventh House and Ever (simultaneously for the best effect). Then all the live stuff you can get your hands on.
Feels good, man.
|
|
|
rod65
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 28 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 248
|
Posted: November 06 2010 at 23:27 |
Andrea Cortese wrote:
My only experience with IQ is their last FREQUENCY album which I find very good.
So, which one next? |
OK. Given my avatar, it is pretty bloody obvious that I am going to recommend Subterranea. But I suggest holding off until after both Dark Matter and The Wake. Subterranea is, I think, one of the best concept albums around in any genre, but to appreciate it fully, you should have a fuller sense of this band's range than any single album, even such an excellent album as Frequency, can give. So my suggestion is this: You have seen their present state, so dig back into their past, ideally with both The Wake and Tales from the Lush Attic, but at the very least with The Wake. Then flash forward to Dark Matter. Having listened to and appreciated these albums, lose yourself in Subterranea until it feels like part of you, and then explore The Seventh House and Ever. Next, check out the two Menel albums, Nomzamo and Are You Sitting Comfortably, which many people overlook that which I believe have their own particular excellence. Then have fun with any live album that comes your way.
They are all good. Enjoy.
|
|
richardh
Prog Reviewer
Joined: February 18 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 28029
|
Posted: November 07 2010 at 13:07 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Can anyone tell an ignorant man why Peter Nicholls left IQ after The Wake? |
One view that I've seen put forward was that Nicholls suffered badly from stage fright and as IQ was beginning to attract a bit of attention and were on the verge a record deal with a major label he decided he couldn't handle being the front man anymore.I'm not sure exactly how true all that is although it is well known that he had a big problem with stage fright.
I've also read that Paul Menel was the only person who turned up for the audition to replace him.
|
|
Snow Dog
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: March 23 2005
Location: Caerdydd
Status: Offline
Points: 32995
|
Posted: November 07 2010 at 13:09 |
richardh wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Can anyone tell an ignorant man why Peter Nicholls left IQ after The Wake? |
One view that I've seen put forward was that Nicholls suffered badly from stage fright and as IQ was beginning to attract a bit of attention and were on the verge a record deal with a major label he decided he couldn't handle being the front man anymore.I'm not sure exactly how true all that is although it is well known that he had a big problem with stage fright.
I've also read that Paul Menel was the only person who turned up for the audition to replace him. |
Luckily he was a pretty good replacement. Do you think?
Alhtough I love Nicholls voice so much its a hard act to follow for me.
Edited by Snow Dog - November 07 2010 at 13:10
|
|
|
richardh
Prog Reviewer
Joined: February 18 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 28029
|
Posted: November 07 2010 at 16:35 |
Snow Dog wrote:
richardh wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Can anyone tell an ignorant man why Peter Nicholls left IQ after The Wake? |
One view that I've seen put forward was that Nicholls suffered badly from stage fright and as IQ was beginning to attract a bit of attention and were on the verge a record deal with a major label he decided he couldn't handle being the front man anymore.I'm not sure exactly how true all that is although it is well known that he had a big problem with stage fright.
I've also read that Paul Menel was the only person who turned up for the audition to replace him. |
Luckily he was a pretty good replacement. Do you think?
Alhtough I love Nicholls voice so much its a hard act to follow for me. |
Talented bloke.I'm not massively keen on Nomzamo but I like Are You Sitting Comfortably which has some great songs and a nice blend of pop/prog perhaps comparable to It Bites (Drive On = Calling All The Heroes??). Pleased that Nicholls came back but respect to Menel for keeping the band going and filling a position that was virtually unfillable.
|
|
ferush
Forum Senior Member
Joined: August 26 2006
Location: Mexico
Status: Offline
Points: 363
|
Posted: November 12 2010 at 19:26 |
IQ is one of the few bands that really know how to use and to project the synths.
|
|
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.