Eclectic Prog Friends' Imaginative Club

^ Is there a Eclectic Prog label on RYM?

Edited by David_D - May 12 2022 at 17:12

I would be okay with that as long as the context of the conversation is not lost, although I would rather have that conversation with you here. In other words, that was a response to you mentioning that you don't think Prog fits Swans. Not that I would want to hijack this thread with that conversation, as the Swans comment was more of an aside to a much longer post, and I kind of regret mentioning it now. I tailored that response to what was being said in this thread to try to provide reasons how I think Swans and music generally could fit definitions in response to your comment about how it does not fit your definition. As I said, I didn't spend as much time writing it as I would have liked. Had I been you, I would have just quoted my response in this thread and responded to the points you find most interesting to engage with. Your response in this thread to my post is quite different to the one in the other where decided to copy part of my post into. In neither case I am really sure quite what the finer points of your arguments are, though, and so it is hard to engage. I don't think I expressed my views that clearly here or the point I was trying to express.

Generally, though, I do prefer to have a discussion in the thread where a post comes up than copy it over somewhere else. That said, I understand using quotes can be helpful as part of a thesis one is trying to create elsewhere (sometimes as counter-arguments since a good thesis commonly will present different perspectives and the counter-arguments).

Edited by Logan - May 13 2022 at 07:56

No big deal, it just would have been easier for me to have and follow the discussion here. But I would understand that you might rather have that discussion in what is a more appropriate thread, and I have been known to move off-topic posts from one topic to another in my time here. I am glad that you asked if I was okay with it. I was asleep at that time so I didn't get the chance to respond before you copied it over to the other thread. Out of curiosity, noticed it is common for you to quote and reply to yourself (sometimes in lieu of an edit), why did you quote yourself there instead of my response to you? Not that I think quotes were needed as it directly follows my comment. Sometimes I do think quotes do get overused at PA, I mean it's not like when we're having dinner table conversations we need to quote each other all the time, but they can help to keep things orderly, especially when one is dealing with various responses and posts coming in by various people which makes for a less than linear conversation. By the way, I prefer to go be my given name, which is Greg. I just can't change it unfortunately without setting up a new account.

Logan wrote: noticed it is common for you to quote and reply to yourself (sometimes in lieu of an edit),

But do you also read other people's posts and treat them as pieces of art? Or would you be more likely to just take the pieces you want to create your own art?

There is a problem I sometimes have with taking others art to pieces, mostly because one is liable to lose context in various cases and it can seem like one is not really actively listening and thinking about what the other is trying to express when one responds like that, and that one is too fixated on one thing, so I often try to respond more comprehensively. I also like to edit and improve my posts, and don't mind doing this until someone has responded. I do look at it rather like my work where I edit papers, and I am absolutely a perfectionist when it comes to it. Here I am sloppier because I don't use my work computer with a proper keyboard and word processor and instead use various devices including an old laptop with sticky keys (people should get their minds out of the gutter). I just don't want to use my work set-up for anything but work.

Note: Quite often I do just use people's posts as a springboard for my own ideas, and sometimes people may find that seemingly overly egocentric.

With your last several posts, I would have just edited those posts into the first. I can follow it without you needing to quote me at all, let alone four times with the same snippet, but maybe that makes it easier for you to follow. To me that becomes redundant and aesthetically it is not pleasing. I do care about the readability of threads, and often like to read them sequentially from the beginning (I actually do this more when it comes to topics that I do not participate in because sometimes I don't want to be too influenced by other peoples thoughts when sharing my own). I do think that it's good to consider how well topics flow for casual readers and how readable they are (I find excessive quoting can break up the flow), but it's also about the chat with individuals, the jokes, and other things to consider. I often try to respond to everything said in a post, which can make for a sloppy mess, as I don't wish to come across as overly selective.

I don't think the quotes were necessary at all to follow our discussion as it is linear. And one can always add related thoughts to related responses as the conversation develops. I guess I would rather just quote a full post and try to respond to all of that than multiple posts responding to the same snippet or in this case, no need to quote at all, but then I don't suppose that is to make it easier for me to follow our conversation. Or just edit it more related thoughts to make for a better post responding to a particular point from someone's post. I do like to acknowledge the whole post even when I only focus on a portion, and have found different ways to do that.

This is not meant to criticise; just sharing a perspective. Your quoting habits are an unusual approach to forum discussion, and I got used to forums not allowing double-posting, so I am still quite old school in that way. I also got used to posts being much longer and more detailed from my first web forums. I like the idea of quality over quantity, but I tend to favour few more comprehensive posts over many lesser posts (I guess I favour a certain concentration). I would rather spend 20 minutes writing what I hope is one decent post over five posts in 20 minutes (I know some here can manage two post a minute, but not me, nowhere near -- not if I want to express anything meaningful to me that I would have any hope to add value to a discussion). Which is not meant to imply that most of my posts take 20 minutes two write. Most take less, and some take considerably longer. I do think I could improve on the quality of time, rather than the quantity of time front significantly when it comes to forum and other activities.

Edited by Logan - May 13 2022 at 13:48

David_D wrote: Club rules update: As recognizing the terms of the real life on PA, the rules for appointment as Honourable Member have been changed to  that it's now enough to like at least one album by the two of The Three Big to be appointed. - That is in the case new members show up which I'm self still very optimistic about, though.  Keep on enjoying your club life.  Cheers

David_D wrote: Club rules update: As recognizing the terms of the real life on PA, the rules for appointment as Honourable Member have been changed to  that it's now enough to be fond of/appreciate at least one album by each of the two of The Three Big of Eclectic Prog to be appointed. - That is in the case new members show up which I'm self still very optimistic about, though.  Keep on enjoying your club life.  Cheers

Edited by David_D - May 16 2022 at 00:55

Edited by David_D - May 23 2022 at 06:33