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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2008 at 13:18

The T, have you edited your Dowsing review up to ** yet?

 

Also, I think you'll like this more than Dowsing, though you would like Choirs the most I expect.

 

Also also, more people need to review the new one.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2008 at 13:24
Haven't edited it because couldn't give it the extra listen I mentioned... I'll give it the fair chance it deserves this weekend... (I have given the album a LOT of fair chances...LOL)
 
For some reasons, I'm really excited to hear the new one... Somewhere deep in the noise and buried in the 14+10 minute repetition of the last two tracks, I heard a good band. And in track three I heard one for a few good minutes.... But self-indulgence and experimentation with vegetables shouldn't mix with studio time...Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2008 at 15:35
So, I'm late to this thread. But, considering that Kayo Dot is one of my favorite bands, I'll throw in my ratinz:

First off:

Choirs>Dowsing>BLD

Second off:

1. Marathon
2. ___On Limpid Form
3. Right Hand Is The One I Want
4. The Antique
5. A Pitcher Of Summer (I just love these lyrics...)
6. Don't Touch Dead Animals (criminally underrated!)
7. The Awkward Windwheel
8. The Manifold Curiosity
9. Gemini Becoming The Tripod
10. Wayfarer
11. Aura On Asylum Wall
12. Symmetrical Arizona
13. Clelia Walking
14. Immortelle and Paper Caravelle
15. Blue Lambency Downward
16. The Sow Submits
17. The Useless Ladder
18. Amaranth The Peddler

Anyway, great band. BLD is sweet by the way. Perhaps not quite the masterpiece their others were, but still quite good in a much more subtle way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2008 at 16:55
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Haven't edited it because couldn't give it the extra listen I mentioned... I'll give it the fair chance it deserves this weekend... (I have given the album a LOT of fair chances...LOL)
 
For some reasons, I'm really excited to hear the new one... Somewhere deep in the noise and buried in the 14+10 minute repetition of the last two tracks, I heard a good band. And in track three I heard one for a few good minutes.... But self-indulgence and experimentation with vegetables shouldn't mix with studio time...Tongue
 
Well their new album is far closer in sound to Aura on an Asylum Wall (track three) than __ On Limpid Form and Amaranth the Peddler.
 
I predict three stars, *maybe* a low four from you.
 
Originally posted by king volta king volta wrote:

6. Don't Touch Dead Animals (criminally underrated!)
 
Oh yes, such a great track.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2008 at 18:49
Originally posted by Pnoom! Pnoom! wrote:

Their site still says it will ship this week.


oh frabjous day
callooh callay

etc.


also I think the T would like either of their albums more than Dowsing, which after listening to today I remembered/realized why it's a horrid starting point with the band (still love the album though)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2008 at 21:28
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Haven't edited it because couldn't give it the extra listen I mentioned... I'll give it the fair chance it deserves this weekend... (I have given the album a LOT of fair chances...LOL)

For some reasons, I'm really excited to hear the new one... Somewhere deep in the noise and buried in the 14+10 minute repetition of the last two tracks, I heard a good band. And in track three I heard one for a few good minutes.... But self-indulgence and experimentation with vegetables shouldn't mix with studio time...Tongue


I'll throw in my estimate that you'll give it two. Maybe three.

I think you'll see it as very noodly, perhaps. Too subtle to enjoy.

Then again, I can see how this album would float your boat more than the others. It all depends. Considering the songs you said you kind of liked on Dowsing...I'd say this one's probably a no-go for you, or a "mediocre" for you.

Probably two. That's my guess on your rating. We could make this a game, ya know.

Folly, or Pnoom! now, says 3-4, I say 2-3...he say etc......and then....Finally. THE T SAYS...........!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2008 at 23:43
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Haven't edited it because couldn't give it the extra listen I mentioned... I'll give it the fair chance it deserves this weekend... (I have given the album a LOT of fair chances...LOL)
 
For some reasons, I'm really excited to hear the new one... Somewhere deep in the noise and buried in the 14+10 minute repetition of the last two tracks, I heard a good band. And in track three I heard one for a few good minutes.... But self-indulgence and experimentation with vegetables shouldn't mix with studio time...Tongue


So how many more fair chances before you correct your rating to be 5 stars.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2008 at 23:52
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Haven't edited it because couldn't give it the extra
listen I mentioned... I'll give it the fair chance it deserves this
weekend... (I have given the album a LOT of fair chances...LOL)

For some reasons, I'm really excited to hear the new one...
Somewhere deep in the noise and buried in the 14+10 minute repetition
of the last two tracks, I heard a good band. And in track three I heard
one for a few good minutes.... But self-indulgence and experimentation
with vegetables shouldn't mix with studio time...Tongue


So how many more fair chances before you correct your rating to be 5 stars.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2008 at 09:02
Allmusicguide rocks:
 
Rating = ****
Got the allmusicguide "check" meaning it's a pick album, and the review is brilliant:
 
Originally posted by allmusic allmusic wrote:

If ever there were a difficult band to pin down, Kayo Dot is it. The group's website describes them simply: "Kayo Dot is an experimental rock/modern composition ensemble currently based in New York City." That's correct, but it is also far too generic a term to capture them accurately. Kayo Dot was born form the ashes of prog-metal band Maudlin of the Well. Originally a quintet, KD began its recording career with Choirs of the Eye on John Zorn's Tzadik imprint in 2003, this was followed by Dowsing Anemone with Copper Tongue on Robotic Empire in 2006, with three members leaving the fold, and vocalist Mia Matsumiya joining the rank and file with original members Toby Driver and Greg Massi. 2008's Blue Lambency Downward produced by Randall Dunn finds the band on Hydra Head, reduced to just Driver and Matsumiya with a slew of guests including saxophonists Skerik and Hans Teuber with Charlie Zeleny playing drums. Dunn helps out on sound effects and synth design; there is a pair of cameos by percussionists Dave Abramson and B.R.A. D.. Musically, the set is bookended by two pieces in the ten-minute range — the title cut that opens it and "Symmetrical Arizona," that closes it — with five shorter pieces in between that range from over six minutes to just under three.

The opening cut begins as an airy, seamless, beautifully and expansively constructed psychedelic pop tune that begins to disintegrate into tempered noise, reverbed guitars, and tautly driven kit work, and then just takes off into other sonic realms. This may be experimental music, but it carries a sense of rock dynamic, vanguard classical harmonies, and shifting time signatures. It is simultaneously very weird yet utterly accessible. The long instrumental section in the middle is brought back to Driver's elaborate sense of song structure — think of Annette Peacock's most elaborate songforms as arranged by Andy Partridge and played by Magma at their most effusive and you realize the rather boundary-disintegrating music we're talking about here — because even that description doesn't capture it. "Clelia Walking" begins with electric guitar power that sounds like the Swans covering Therion tunes, but just as quickly it gives way to Matsumiya's lithe, gauzy violin coming from the softer reaches of Witold Lutoslawski before finally meeting Eastern modalities as sung by Jeff Buckley. "Right Hand Is the One I Want," clocking in at just under seven minutes, begins as a shuffling waltz, with piano, snare, cymbals, strummed guitars, and outside melodies that are just heavenly. When the reeds and winds enter, they feel like André Hodier's modernist jazz-playing cabaret music and underscore the entire melodic and harmonic structure of the tune. But there are no edges as strange and foreign sounding as this is. The sense of drift and shimmer in the track is so gorgeous you wouldn't care what Driver was singing, and even when things become more formless and shiftless, it's as if it is the most natural occurrence in the time-space continuum, especially when Matsumiya's violin begins a tango-flavored gypsy tune in its own warm sonic bath. "The Awkward Wind Wheel" is somewhat noiser and feels like the downtown New York scene playing its own tribute to the King Crimson of the early Adrian Belew era ŕ la Discipline. It will take a minimum of several spins all the way through to even try to grasp all that's going on here. It's fair to say that perhaps you shouldn't have to work that hard, yet there is no real work involved; there is only delight, amusement, humor, and sometimes awe. While Kayo Dot is impossible to pigeonhole or put into a single box, they also make avant music you can hum to.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2008 at 14:51
did anyone who ordered BLD get a confirmation email when you bought it? I didn't get one and my account on bluecollardistro says I never ordered it, yet the money was taken from my card when I ordered it


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2008 at 14:54
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Haven't edited it because couldn't give it the extra listen I mentioned... I'll give it the fair chance it deserves this weekend... (I have given the album a LOT of fair chances...LOL)
 
For some reasons, I'm really excited to hear the new one... Somewhere deep in the noise and buried in the 14+10 minute repetition of the last two tracks, I heard a good band. And in track three I heard one for a few good minutes.... But self-indulgence and experimentation with vegetables shouldn't mix with studio time...Tongue


So how many more fair chances before you correct your rating to be 5 stars.
 
We need an airplane accident, a deserted island, just one cd in my collection and proper equipment... then loneliness and exclusivity will do the rest....Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2008 at 16:01
Listening to the whole CD now. It's still amazing, and (just like the other albums) gets more amazing with every listen. Avant-jazz balladry, post-metal guitar sprinklings, extra-small snippets of drone, and some interesting new RIO-ish influences.

That all being said, I'm listening to the album again when I get home from work.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2008 at 16:20
I actually thought it was a bit of a dis-grower on the whole, but not by much at all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2008 at 13:45
Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

did anyone who ordered BLD get a confirmation email when you bought it? I didn't get one and my account on bluecollardistro says I never ordered it, yet the money was taken from my card when I ordered it


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2008 at 17:40
Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

did anyone who ordered BLD get a confirmation email when you bought it? I didn't get one and my account on bluecollardistro says I never ordered it, yet the money was taken from my card when I ordered it
 
Yes, I received a confirmation; received the album as well two days ago.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2008 at 00:16
crap
that means I paid for the damn album
but I'm not gonna get it

Cry

I'm starting to get sadangry now


Edited by heyitsthatguy - May 11 2008 at 00:26


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2008 at 05:15
^Time to get angry with them I think.

Looks like it was only the international release that was put back, which means I've still got to wait nearly two weeks before I'll get it.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2008 at 06:16
Third attempt at Kayo Dot's music:

Checked out the two pieces on PA, 'The Manifold Curiosity' and 'Gemini Becoming the Tripod'. I found the first boring and kinda messy. The other was quite funny, but still not very interesting. Will go to their Myspace to check out more.

I also looked at Toby Driver's solo entry and REALLY loved the piece available...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2008 at 14:18
okay, starting to get REALLLY pissed, they don't answer my emails and the phone didn't work either

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2008 at 22:13
Originally posted by Pnoom! Pnoom! wrote:

The T, have you edited your Dowsing review up to ** yet?

 

Also, I think you'll like this more than Dowsing, though you would like Choirs the most I expect.

 

Also also, more people need to review the new one.

 
It has failed.
 
I have found the problem and the reason why the rating is not an average.
 
When i hear the first three tracks, it leaves the sensation of a 2.5 star record... even a 3... then the two last tracks attack and all is lost... both tracks make half of the album, and destroy any hope with me... Good thing they aren't the first tracks or I'd give it a MINUS something rating...
 
But as i said, I hear a band buried there.... and this week the new album will arrive and by next sunday you can expect yours truly to make peace with The Dot... or not... 
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