Forum Home Forum Home > Progressive Music Lounges > Prog Music Lounge
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Praised prog albums that you think are overrated
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Praised prog albums that you think are overrated
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 345
Author
Message
  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
Easy Money View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin

Joined: August 11 2007
Location: Memphis
Status: Offline
Points: 10619 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Easy Money Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 hours 38 minutes ago at 19:44
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

A highly praised album that I consider to be overrated, even though I do like the album, is King Crimson - Red. Listening to the album, it seems to me to have fewer musical ideas than an album as highly praised as Red ought to have.

Bravo!  My thoughts exactly!  
Yeah, "Red" has always seemed kind of repetitious and hard rock oriented, I much prefer the more intricate "Larks Tongue" and "Starless and Bible Black".
Back to Top
richardh View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: February 18 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 28107 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 hours 13 minutes ago at 20:09
Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

I will limit this to bands/artists I'm actually a fan of:

1. Yes: Tales from Topographic Oceans
2. Genesis: Trespass
3. Genesis: Nursery Cryme
4. Alan Parsons Project: Tales of Mystery and Imagination
5. Moody Blues: In Search of the Lost Chord
6. Rush: 2112
7. Rush: Moving Pictures
8. Steve Hackett: Voyage of the Acolyte
9. E.L.P.: Tarkus
10. Pink Floyd: The Wall
11. Mike Oldfield: Tubular Bells

I don't know. Only 3 and 7 are a hyped up a bit maybe. A lot of these albums are generally considered 'flawed' masterpieces. 
Back to Top
Lewian View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: August 09 2015
Location: Italy
Status: Offline
Points: 14772 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 hours 7 minutes ago at 04:15
The term "overrated" is overrated.
Back to Top
Cristi View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Crossover / Prog Metal Teams

Joined: July 27 2006
Location: wonderland
Status: Online
Points: 43816 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 hours 60 minutes ago at 04:22
Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

 Steve Hackett: Voyage of the Acolyte

How is this album overrated?! Ouch
Back to Top
Lewian View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: August 09 2015
Location: Italy
Status: Offline
Points: 14772 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 hours 44 minutes ago at 04:38
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

 Steve Hackett: Voyage of the Acolyte

How is this album overrated?! Ouch
Well, it wasn't me who said that and I actually like it, but... it's Hackett's most highly rated album on PA, and if I were to rank his albums, I'd probably put it on rank 5. 
Back to Top
Cristi View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Crossover / Prog Metal Teams

Joined: July 27 2006
Location: wonderland
Status: Online
Points: 43816 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 hours 39 minutes ago at 04:43
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

 Steve Hackett: Voyage of the Acolyte
How is this album overrated?! Ouch
Well, it wasn't me who said that and I actually like it, but... it's Hackett's most highly rated album on PA, and if I were to rank his albums, I'd probably put it on rank 5. 

I know you didn't say it.
Even if you rank it as your fifth favorite, is it overrated, is it undeserving of all the appreciation and love it gets?! Confused
 


Back to Top
moshkito View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 04 2007
Location: Grok City
Status: Offline
Points: 17538 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 9 hours 12 minutes ago at 06:10
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

 Steve Hackett: Voyage of the Acolyte
How is this album overrated?! Ouch
Well, it wasn't me who said that and I actually like it, but... it's Hackett's most highly rated album on PA, and if I were to rank his albums, I'd probably put it on rank 5. 

I know you didn't say it.
Even if you rank it as your fifth favorite, is it overrated, is it undeserving of all the appreciation and love it gets?! Confused
 

Hi,

Sometimes I wonder what it is that we think/consider to be over/under anything.

I, for myself, kinda draw the line on one rather important detail that was the main reason for "progressive" to come alive, something that today is somewhat ignored, and the "favorites" end up being on top, even when their musicality is not specially important or worthy of the "progressive" classification.

I draw the line as pop music, or creative music ... and a lot of albums listed fit the pop music idea, because it is all formatted stuff and not as alive and experimental as the "creative" side has been and can be.

Thus, things like "Voyage of the Acolyte" deserves the appreciation, as does a lot of other work listed here by various folks.

Of the one list above, I think that most of it is fine, although the main problem with it, TODAY, is that a lot of folks don't look at music that is 30/40 years old as important or valid, because it is not formula oriented, or "pop" as I like to suggest. 

I do think, however, that the inclusion of 2 albums, by Rush and Genesis, causes the listing a problem ... in that the listener is not versed enough in more music, from other places in the world, in order to get off the English/British listing ... which to me is FAT and OVER RATED ... but the powers that be think that England invented the world and the Internet!


Edited by moshkito - 9 hours 7 minutes ago at 06:15
Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
www.pedrosena.com
Back to Top
Lewian View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: August 09 2015
Location: Italy
Status: Offline
Points: 14772 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6 hours 2 minutes ago at 09:20
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

 Steve Hackett: Voyage of the Acolyte
How is this album overrated?! Ouch
Well, it wasn't me who said that and I actually like it, but... it's Hackett's most highly rated album on PA, and if I were to rank his albums, I'd probably put it on rank 5. 

I know you didn't say it.
Even if you rank it as your fifth favorite, is it overrated, is it undeserving of all the appreciation and love it gets?! Confused
 


No, for sure not, and I'm not a fan of the "overrated" concept anyway. However I'm fine discussing why some albums that are generally appreciated don't resonate with some people, and that's the more constructive thing that can be done in this thread. And this doesn't require a complaint any time somebody says an album is overrated that you think deserves appreciation.
Back to Top
Cristi View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Crossover / Prog Metal Teams

Joined: July 27 2006
Location: wonderland
Status: Online
Points: 43816 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 5 hours 59 minutes ago at 09:23
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

 Steve Hackett: Voyage of the Acolyte
How is this album overrated?! Ouch
Well, it wasn't me who said that and I actually like it, but... it's Hackett's most highly rated album on PA, and if I were to rank his albums, I'd probably put it on rank 5. 

I know you didn't say it.
Even if you rank it as your fifth favorite, is it overrated, is it undeserving of all the appreciation and love it gets?! Confused
No, for sure not, and I'm not a fan of the "overrated" concept anyway. However I'm fine discussing why some albums that are generally appreciated don't resonate with some people, and that's the more constructive thing that can be done in this thread. And this doesn't require a complaint any time somebody says an album is overrated that you think deserves appreciation.

I'm not complaining, I'm just surprised at some of the choices here in this thread. If I'm asking why, it does not mean i complain. Just trying to understand.


Edited by Cristi - 5 hours 59 minutes ago at 09:23
Back to Top
Lewian View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: August 09 2015
Location: Italy
Status: Offline
Points: 14772 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 5 hours 53 minutes ago at 09:29
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

 Steve Hackett: Voyage of the Acolyte
How is this album overrated?! Ouch
Well, it wasn't me who said that and I actually like it, but... it's Hackett's most highly rated album on PA, and if I were to rank his albums, I'd probably put it on rank 5. 

I know you didn't say it.
Even if you rank it as your fifth favorite, is it overrated, is it undeserving of all the appreciation and love it gets?! Confused
No, for sure not, and I'm not a fan of the "overrated" concept anyway. However I'm fine discussing why some albums that are generally appreciated don't resonate with some people, and that's the more constructive thing that can be done in this thread. And this doesn't require a complaint any time somebody says an album is overrated that you think deserves appreciation.

I'm not complaining, I'm just surprised at some of the choices here in this thread. If I'm asking why, it does not mean i complain. Just trying to understand.
For me personally one aspect is purely subjective, which melodies work for me and which don't, and I find material on the next three albums and To Watch the Storms just more memorable. But also on Acolyte in my view Steve takes less of a risk than on some later albums. Acolyte caters very well for the prog/Genesis fans (maybe somewhat more on the soft melodic side), but it doesn't really surprise as much as some tracks on later albums do.   


Edited by Lewian - 5 hours 52 minutes ago at 09:30
Back to Top
Cristi View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Crossover / Prog Metal Teams

Joined: July 27 2006
Location: wonderland
Status: Online
Points: 43816 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 5 hours 48 minutes ago at 09:34
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

For me personally one aspect is purely subjective, which melodies work for me and which don't, and I find material on the next three albums and To Watch the Storms just more memorable. But also on Acolyte in my view Steve takes less of a risk than on some later albums. Acolyte caters very well for the prog/Genesis fans (maybe somewhat more on the soft melodic side), but it doesn't really surprise as much as some tracks on later albums do.   

Thanks for explaining, you did not even have to do that, you were not the one making the claim that the album is overrated. Smile
Back to Top
Steve Wyzard View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: March 30 2017
Location: California
Status: Offline
Points: 2598 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steve Wyzard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 5 hours 27 minutes ago at 09:55
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

 Steve Hackett: Voyage of the Acolyte

How is this album overrated?! Ouch

Voyage of the Acolyte was the first Steve Hackett album I ever owned. I liked it at first, but over time it fell out of favor with me. With the exceptions of the opening "Ace of Wands" and the miraculous "Star of Sirius", the album is far too repetitive, labored, and (shall we say) ponderous. Of all of Hackett's albums (and I own quite a few), this one has the absolute worst engineering/production. And then there's "The Hermit", which is just plain awful! All of this can of course be attributed to this being Steve's first solo album, and let me be clear: I certainly don't hate it. But I would far rather listen to a heavily-criticized album like Cured (which is livelier, better produced, and Hackett's vocals have greatly improved) than Voyage of the Acolyte. To close, I will concede that I have heard live versions of some of the Acolyte songs that have greatly improved them, and that my very favorite Hackett album is Acolyte's follow-up, Please Don't Touch. 
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 345

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.109 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.