The official Prog Archives Porcupine Tree Thread!

ptkc123 wrote: Catcher10 wrote: Sorry....wondering if anyone has heard about new material from either the Tree or SW....if it has been posted here just let me know what page and I'll go there. These threads get so long sometimes I loose my place.... I'll do my best to try and keep up next time.. Thanks in advance No problem, dude. Here's a new track from SW that he decided to scratch off his forthcoming second solo album: http://www.wnyc.org/shows/soundcheck/articles/web-extras/2010/sep/21/exlusive-track-steven-wilson/ ^ You can also download the track, not just stream it.

Fantastic!! Thanks a lot.......

Palliams wrote: What's people's thoughts on Insurgentes? I enjoyed it, wasn't what I expected at all. The bonus tracks are great too.

nvmd I see you meant the DVD.


anyway...:SW uploaded the bonus tracks from Insurgentes on SoundCloud.

http://soundcloud.com/steven-wilson/tracks




Edited by ergaster - October 26 2010 at 22:29

Metalbaswee wrote: Palliams wrote: The main bonus of Recordings for me will be to finally have it in my collection! Can't help but feel for anyone who's forked out for it though, as it would seem like a huge waste of money to them now! At least they could have felt  a bit better if there were some sort of bonus content added to the new release!   Im curious as to everyone's age here, to see how varied PT's fanbase is. I'm 26 and discovered PT when I was 24. i'm 17, heard my first song, which was lazarus, when i was 15 or 16. Which reminds me, i should really go out and buy some of their cd's. Should i look more into their early work or the more recent? EDIT: I swore that post was on the last page, and not the 2nd  ah well

Keyspoet wrote: Woo hoo - my  "Insurgentes" DVDs arrived today, complete with Vapour Trail Lullaby CDs.  My birthday was Tuesday, and we got fabulous news yesterday  - it has been a very good week.  ;-)

Yeah!  I got mine yesterday.  I don't agree with all of Stevensteve's opinions on music but it's still a nice watching.  Still have to tackle the second disc.  The booklet is spectacular. 


Edited by Slartibartfast - October 30 2010 at 12:57

idiotPrayer wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: Yeah!  I got mine yesterday.  I don't agree with all of Stevensteve's opinions on music but it's still a nice watching.  Still have to tackle the second disc.  The booklet is spectacular.  neither do i agree exactly with all of what he says but most of it is brilliant. i would however claim that music can actually be enjoyed as mp3s or such, even though the differences are remarkable. i own an ipod and use it almost every day but i agree on almost everything he says about them: they have brought a lot of bad stuff to music but some good too. something that has occured among almost all my friends is what steven explained as "when it takes minutes to download music it's just as easy to dismiss". it's very sad, but i think that the ones who enjoys music on such a high level as i do won't let this happen to them. people who like music very much will always have the will to find and properly enjoy it.

I agree completely. 

I'm not sure if I'm the oldest member on the thread - I just turned 52 on Tuesday - but I grew up in L.A. during the golden age of the album, and of album rock in general, and for me there is still nothing to compare to a really well produced vinyl.  I have been very happy in the past several years to note that more and more bands are going back to releasing their albums on vinyl - we will always have analogue ears, after all, and no matter how good digital recording gets, analogue will always sound better to true audiophiles.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it. 

That said, I have over 12 GB of MP3s of my music collection - nowhere near complete - on my laptop.  I still don't have an iPod, and am not all that inclined to get one, but I did have a generic MP3 player until recently, and I should be getting my new BlackBerry in the next day or so.  I plan to carry some of my favorites on the Micro SD.

I'm even old school as a gadget geek - I bought my HP Jornada 720 in November 2000, within a day or two of its release, back when it cost $1,000.  That remains, aside from my laptop, as my main MP3 listening device, though I expect that it will soon by supplanted by the BlackBerry.

idiotPrayer wrote: Keyspoet wrote: I agree completely.  I'm not sure if I'm the oldest member on the thread - I just turned 52 on Tuesday - but I grew up in L.A. during the golden age of the album, and of album rock in general, and for me there is still nothing to compare to a really well produced vinyl.  I have been very happy in the past several years to note that more and more bands are going back to releasing their albums on vinyl - we will always have analogue ears, after all, and no matter how good digital recording gets, analogue will always sound better to true audiophiles.  That's my story and I'm sticking to it.  i got the discbox version of radioheads last album "in rainbows", and it has both vinlys and cds. there's no doubt that they sound different, but what i most like about vinyl is the stuff you have to do in order to listen, and how much more effort you put into listening, so to speak. no skipping ahead, no pausing and rewinding, and no picking and choosing single tracks etc.

LOL - I know what you mean.  I love the ritual attached to listening to vinyls, and tend to be pretty anal about listening to albums all the way through, even when it is an album I don't particularly like on first listen.  I've had a couple of instances when I disliked something at the beginning, but by the end of the album had fallen in love with it - Nick Drake comes to mind as the primary example for me - and it is rare indeed for me to give an album fewer than several listenings before counting it out.

I remember as a kid how ticked my dad would get when I would stack LPs on the player - little did I know then how right he was - and it was because of him (and my mom) that I have always been religious about handling LPs and CDs by the edges only, and always putting them in their covers immediately after playing.  And Steven Wilson is absolutely right about the tactile pleasure in handling and admiring an album's artwork and presentation, particularly for gatefold sleeve albums, and the increased pleasure such beautiful packaging brings to the music.

^^

From his latest column in the Electronic Musician http://emusician.com/interviews/in_the_mix/in_mix_vive_le_progres/index.html


"...As for file sharing, I can’t say I like it that much, and I struggle with the idea that many people now feel an entitlement to steal the work of musicians, something surely unique to this profession. But on the other hand, I ask myself why I started making music in the first place. It certainly wasn’t to make money or to be famous. In fact, there was once a time when I would have given away my music for free just to know that someone was listening, and in many respects that hasn’t changed—sharing the music is still the only thing that really matters to me. So given the choice between someone listening to my music for free or not hearing it at all, I’ll take the first option every time"


I think the man just really appreciates the art of music.

His position may have softened on the whole idea of the download since Insurgentes came out a couple of years ago.  The movie is a little dated now.

I have to agree with him though.  I much prefer to have all the packaging, artwork, credits, etc. along with the physical copy of the disc.  Can't have everything that way though and so there is room for the downloaded copy of something.  Will take the physical copy of an album every time over the digital.

rushaholic wrote: ^^ From his latest column in the Electronic Musician http://emusician.com/interviews/in_the_mix/in_mix_vive_le_progres/index.html "...As for file sharing, I can’t say I like it that much, and I struggle with the idea that many people now feel an entitlement to steal the work of musicians, something surely unique to this profession. But on the other hand, I ask myself why I started making music in the first place. It certainly wasn’t to make money or to be famous. In fact, there was once a time when I would have given away my music for free just to know that someone was listening, and in many respects that hasn’t changed—sharing the music is still the only thing that really matters to me. So given the choice between someone listening to my music for free or not hearing it at all, I’ll take the first option every time" I think the man just really appreciates the art of music. His position may have softened on the whole idea of the download since Insurgentes came out a couple of years ago.  The movie is a little dated now. I have to agree with him though.  I much prefer to have all the packaging, artwork, credits, etc. along with the physical copy of the disc.  Can't have everything that way though and so there is room for the downloaded copy of something.  Will take the physical copy of an album every time over the digital.

I think a lot of people struggle with the download question, and find ways of explaining it to themselves (mine: I have rarely bought an album without hearing something from it first, and that includes bands I desperately loved.  And even then I ended up with some real dogs in my collection...).  Periods of transition are always difficult, but I rather strongly suspect that neither musicians nor music buyers are going to become extinct.  Things will just be different (remember: television didn't really spell the end of the movie theatre, it just became different).

I have no argument with the album as art, though.  None at all (she says, looking through her Roger Dean album cover collection....) 

Still awaiting my copy of Insurgentes, although hopefully it'll be here before the weekend.

I received mine at my house, but I have to wait until it gets sent from there to my university...