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omphaloskepsis
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 6339 |
Posted: November 24 2021 at 10:16 | ||
OMG, Rittenhouse crossed state lines! WTF! I would never cross a state line. I'm sure you guys wouldn't cross state lines. God forbid! Rittenhouse traveled approximately one mile across state lines to where Rittenhouse worked as a life guard. Rittenhouse visited his family and friends that lived in Kenosha, including his grandmother, cousins, and dad. He did not carry a weapon across state lines, because his rifle was kept in Kenosha. This is what the Media said about Rittenhouse crossing state lines- https://rumble.com/vpht2x-across-state-lines-mashup.html
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CosmicVibration
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 26 2014 Location: Milky Way Status: Offline Points: 1396 |
Posted: November 24 2021 at 10:22 | ||
It’s not that cut and dry… Each scenario and situation would
be different and there is a third option, call the cops. I have guns but I don’t like guns and get uneasy around people
that I don’t know with guns. If saw
someone walking or running around with a gun in an area that was perfectly legal
to do so, I would choose to leave that area. It would be illegal and very stupid
to try and disarm that person if the individual wasn’t breaking any laws. The notion of disarming even a predator is ill-advised. The gun is not the threat, the person is, or
more to the point, his brain is. That’s
what needs to be shut down to eliminate the threat. Edited by CosmicVibration - November 24 2021 at 10:37 |
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omphaloskepsis
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 6339 |
Posted: November 24 2021 at 10:27 | ||
So you think folks should have taken away the weapons the Antifa and Black Lives Matter were carrying? This video shows Rosenbaum approaching multiple armed men. Including rifle toting Black Lives Matter people. Rosenbaum screams several times, " Shoot me, N-word!" Eyes and ears don't lie. This video took place only minutes before Rosenbaum took BaldFriede's advise. https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/kenosha-shooting-victim-seen-in-video-confronting-armed-men/ Edited by omphaloskepsis - November 24 2021 at 10:28 |
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CosmicVibration
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 26 2014 Location: Milky Way Status: Offline Points: 1396 |
Posted: November 24 2021 at 10:28 | ||
Short memory? Selective memory? trouble comprehending? posted only 30 minutes ago: I detest violence… There are 2 types of violence, antisocial and asocial. In antisocial aggression there is a way out and should be taken. Usually, there’s 2 male gorillas beating their chests and throwing sh*t at each other to establish dominance. It doesn’t have to escalate and go asocial if one of them backs down. There is a fine line between the two, an example of antisocial behavior on the edge would be - say you accidentally bumped into someone in a bar and apologized. However, the drunken fool postured in front of his friends and wanted to start a fight. You apologize again but he throws his drink in your face. Your friends are watching, what do you do? Is there still a chance you can talk your way out of it? Yes, this would be Close to the Edge, but it doesn’t necessarily have to turn asocial. You can place a ten or twenty on the bar, tell the bartender that because of you that guy spilled his drink and would like to buy him another one. Then start backing away slowly toward an exit, be vigilant and get the hell out of there. It’s worth 20 bucks not to engage, not to take a chance of ending up in jail, hospital, or morgue. In an asocial situation there is now way out, no amount of talking and there is nothing that can be done to avert the violence about to take place. If someone has a knife to your throat or a gun to your head this is an asocial situation and there is only one way out. There is only one person walking away on their own accord, I hope you have to necessary tools in your tool bag to be you. There are a lot of predators in the world, and I hope no one here ever encounters one. Examine the video closely and then decide for yourself if what Kyle faced was antisocial or asocial? Try not to be swayed by some of the brainless comments on some of the videos. Violence is hardly ever the answer, but when it is the answer, it’s the only answer. |
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BaldFriede
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10261 |
Posted: November 24 2021 at 10:41 | ||
I don't care about political position. People should not carry around firearms in public, period.
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timothy leary
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
Posted: November 24 2021 at 10:41 | ||
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omphaloskepsis
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 6339 |
Posted: November 24 2021 at 10:57 | ||
[/QUOTE] I don't care about political position. People should not carry around firearms in public, period. [/QUOTE]
Cool, I empathize with that opinion. I would never carry a firearm in public. However, in the USA it's legal in most states to carry firearms. I support the 2nd Amendment of the USA's constitution.
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BaldFriede
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10261 |
Posted: November 24 2021 at 11:04 | ||
I don't care about political position. People should not carry around firearms in public, period. [/QUOTE]
Cool, I empathize with that opinion. I would never carry a firearm in public. However, in the USA it's legal in most states to carry firearms. I support the 2nd Amendment of the USA's constitution. [/QUOTE] And I think it is outdated and should be removed. There was a historical reason for it, but this reason is no longer applicable today. This 2nd amendment is one of the main reasons why the USA has by far the most gun-related killings per capita in the world.
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SteveG
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20604 |
Posted: November 24 2021 at 11:20 | ||
Cool, I empathize with that opinion. I would never carry a firearm in public. However, in the USA it's legal in most states to carry firearms. I support the 2nd Amendment of the USA's constitution. [/QUOTE] And I think it is outdated and should be removed. There was a historical reason for it, but this reason is no longer applicable today. This 2nd amendment is one of the main reasons why the USA has by far the most gun-related killings per capita in the world. [/QUOTE] Unfortunately, repealing the 2nd Amendment would not stop criminals in this country from getting guns. The problem has moved far beyond that now. |
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BaldFriede
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Posted: November 24 2021 at 11:23 | ||
And I think it is outdated and should be removed. There was a historical reason for it, but this reason is no longer applicable today. This 2nd amendment is one of the main reasons why the USA has by far the most gun-related killings per capita in the world. [/QUOTE] Unfortunately, repealing the 2nd Amendment would not stop criminals in this country from getting guns. The problem has moved far beyond that now.[/QUOTE] Criminal elements always have ways to get access to guns. This is not different in Germany either.
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SteveG
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20604 |
Posted: November 24 2021 at 11:25 | ||
Tim found a friend. How nice.
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timothy leary
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
Posted: November 24 2021 at 11:47 | ||
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CosmicVibration
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 26 2014 Location: Milky Way Status: Offline Points: 1396 |
Posted: November 24 2021 at 11:53 | ||
Now that i've re-read Timothy's post, i'm not sure if he was messing with me or not. Tim if you were, then i stand by what i wrote. If not, then i'm sorry, i hope you still love me.
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timothy leary
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
Posted: November 24 2021 at 11:59 | ||
Vibrate on, I am not in charge here.
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rushfan4
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66256 |
Posted: November 24 2021 at 12:04 | ||
All three men were found guilty of murder in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery. I figured for sure that their pleas of self-defense would work for them too.
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Easy Money
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10617 |
Posted: November 24 2021 at 12:09 | ||
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rushfan4
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66256 |
Posted: November 24 2021 at 12:19 | ||
Agreed, but the way our courts have decided some cases made me expect a different outcome. If this had occurred in Florida they would probably have been cleared under the "stand your ground" concept like Zimmerman.
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Mirakaze
Special Collaborator Eclectic, JRF/Canterbury, Avant/Zeuhl Joined: December 17 2019 Location: (redacted) Status: Offline Points: 4060 |
Posted: November 24 2021 at 12:28 | ||
You literally accused another forum user of supporting pedophilia and domestic violence just because he didn't agree with you on a completely unrelated topic. In my eyes you've lost your right to bemoan people personally insulting you. Would a normal, fair-hearted man as you describe, after being forced to put an end to the lives of two humans just because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time, go on to flaunt and cash in on his newly found fame what with his Tucker Carlson appearance and attempted sponsorship deal by Blaze Media? So much for there being "no winners" in this case. Why would a law-abiding citizen show up to a dangerous situation in order to protect a business that had already been destroyed the previous night and whose owner neither wanted nor asked for assistance from armed vigilantes, against the advice of the city's mayor and county sheriff, in defiance of a police curfew and with a firearm he had no legal right to possess and which was registered in someone else's name? Why would such a sweetheart of a person spend the night with an outright Neo-Nazi and go on to flash a white supremacist hand gesture while partying with Proud Boys members? Even if I believed that Rittenhouse did no wrong at all, I would still find the glorification of this man and his actions by right-wing media to be utterly appalling and irresponsible. What happened in Kenosha was a tragedy, not something to be celebrated. How many far-right nutcases will interpret this as a message that they can shoot protesters of the opposite side and get away with it?
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SteveG
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Posted: November 24 2021 at 12:30 | ||
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SteveG
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Posted: November 24 2021 at 12:33 | ||
Getting back to the Arbery convictions, I must say I had my doubts about a jury of 11 whites and 1 black. Can you imagine that outcome 20 to 30 years ago?
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