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Posted: September 29 2021 at 20:04
SteveG wrote:
Did Cindy get fired for non vaccine compliance? I want to see the rest of the soap opera.
Your wrong again, Steve. In an earlier conversation with you, Steve, I told you I've been vaccinated. That said, I support personal choice.
Remember-
[/QUOTE]Steve said,
It's always a case of apples and oranges with your ilk. You asked for reasons why people should care about non vaccinated people but failed to state why you don't. What's your libertarian's view on why people needlessly dying is no big deal. The shot is free. It doesn't cost anything. The side effects are rare. It keeps people from dying needlessly. So, what's your beef with it? Why does a health professional like you fail to care about the health of others?[/QUOTE
Cindy replied-
If the shots are free than how come Pfizer's stock price has almost tripled since Trump first mentioned vaccines? Taxes pay for vaccinations. Pfizer's earnings did not appear out of thin air.
My only problem with the vaccine? People should be allowed to choose for themselves. I think it's the law of the land. I've been vaccinated. That said, it's none of my business if you get vaccinated. What gives me the right? Since I've been vaccinated, you are no threat to my life.
I care plenty about the health of people. However, that does not give me the right to interfere with people's freedom of choice. I care about babies. That said, I don't condemn women for getting abortions. It's their legal right- "My body, my choice."
Edited by omphaloskepsis - September 29 2021 at 20:25
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Posted: September 30 2021 at 04:14
omphaloskepsis wrote:
SteveG wrote:
Did Cindy get fired for non vaccine compliance? I want to see the rest of the soap opera.
Your wrong again, Steve. In an earlier conversation with you, Steve, I told you I've been vaccinated. That said, I support personal choice.
Remember-
Steve said,
It's always a case of apples and oranges with your ilk. You asked for reasons why people should care about non vaccinated people but failed to state why you don't. What's your libertarian's view on why people needlessly dying is no big deal. The shot is free. It doesn't cost anything. The side effects are rare. It keeps people from dying needlessly. So, what's your beef with it? Why does a health professional like you fail to care about the health of others? Cindy replied-
If the shots are free than how come Pfizer's stock price has almost tripled since Trump first mentioned vaccines? Taxes pay for vaccinations. Pfizer's earnings did not appear out of thin air.
My only problem with the vaccine? People should be allowed to choose for themselves. I think it's the law of the land. I've been vaccinated. That said, it's none of my business if you get vaccinated. What gives me the right? Since I've been vaccinated, you are no threat to my life.
I care plenty about the health of people. However, that does not give me the right to interfere with people's freedom of choice. I care about babies. That said, I don't condemn women for getting abortions. It's their legal right- "My body, my choice."
Like I've said before Cindy, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Now, if we can just get you to fix your BB codes...
Edited by SteveG - September 30 2021 at 04:20
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Posted: October 03 2021 at 16:38
JD wrote:
Telling
Republicans
Ubiquitous
Misinformation
Purposefully
See, I can do it too.
No doubt… 4 years of one idiot in charge and now another 4
years of an even bigger idiot.How much
longer before the country implodes?
I didn’t support Trump but I did support twofaced Joe.I also had a lot of respect and supported
Elizabeth Warren; turns out she’s senseless as well. She sent a letter to
Amazon’s CEO to ban certain books. Modern day book burning, are you kidding me..
One book in particular: The Truth About Covid-19 by Dr.
Joseph Mercola.I have not read this
book but will probably order it just to see what exactly I’m not supposed to be
reading.
FJB
Edited by CosmicVibration - October 03 2021 at 16:40
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Posted: October 03 2021 at 17:32
Bacerra is certainly not a great representative, he seems wide eyed and weak and I don't think he was a good nominee by Biden. And as much as Rand Paul is a blank-faced sociopath, he makes some good points. It's also heartening that natural immunities are as good or better than shots, and it'd be nice if we could all agree on at least that. Might create some common ground where it is so needed.
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Posted: October 03 2021 at 18:29
I get that with Paul, I don’t agree with a lot of his
stances but on this issue he’s spot on.
Maybe I shouldn’t post right after sh*t hits me, probably
should wait to wind down and cool my jets a bit.I dodged a bullet, get to keep my job, but
others aren’t so lucky.
Yesterday I was with friends and family.One friend, after getting forced to take the
vaccine his legs turned red and swelled like balloons. Another got denied his religious
exemption and is contemplating his next move, which may not be good.My sister’s friend was in tears, just
purchased a new house and with a fresh mortgage needs to get vaccinated otherwise
she losses her job and house.It was
probably not a good idea to talk about Eric Clapton experience...
If the dam vaccines
are safe and effective as touted, then why mandate them?If you take it and feel safe, why should you
demand others to do the same?If other
individuals, for any reason don’t want to get vaccinated why should you care,
you’re protected, screw them, right?
I for one have many reasons as to why vaccine mandates
and any sort of passport tracking is a horrific idea.
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Posted: October 03 2021 at 19:29
CosmicVibration wrote:
[EDIT] If the dam vaccines
are safe and effective as touted, then why mandate them?If you take it and feel safe, why should you
demand others to do the same?If other
individuals, for any reason don’t want to get vaccinated why should you care,
you’re protected, screw them, right?
Same old arguments and still without a clue...SIGH.
Edited by JD - October 03 2021 at 19:29
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Posted: October 04 2021 at 03:50
JD wrote:
CosmicVibration wrote:
[EDIT] If the dam vaccines
are safe and effective as touted, then why mandate them?If you take it and feel safe, why should you
demand others to do the same?If other
individuals, for any reason don’t want to get vaccinated why should you care,
you’re protected, screw them, right?
Same old arguments and still without a clue...SIGH.
Since you can't figure out answers to his questions, you attack CosmicVibration. If you got a clue JD, then answer his questions. You've had enough time to think about it, JD, since as you say, "Same old arguments..."
Your country, Canada, has become a "Let me see your papers country". You can't go bowling in Canada with your vaccine passport phone app or your papers. Will you get your booster shot every six months for the rest of your life, JD? Get ready for that requirement. It's on the horizon.
I've got vaccinated. But it was my choice. My body, my choice. Same as abortion, except with abortion, a baby dies every time. If you've been jabbed- according to President Biden and American stats- and you get covid, you have a 1/160,000 chance of entering a hospital. Even a less chance of dying. The odds of you dying in a car crash during your lifetime are 1/608. What do you care if CosmicVibration decides to roll the dice with his life? Do you wish to see non-jabbed people punished by the government?
A year ago nurses were cheered as heroes in America. Today, nurses get fired if they Do NOT get the jab. Then, politicians who fire the nurses, blame the nurses that they fired- for healthcare worker shortages. In March 2020, it was two weeks to flatten the curve. What a difference a year and a half makes. Politicians keep saying "To get back to normal you must keep doing what isn't normal."
Edited by omphaloskepsis - October 04 2021 at 04:05
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Posted: October 04 2021 at 04:24
The hardest thing to take about the anti vaccine populous, aside from being healthcare workers who put patients at risk (imagine going to the ICU for an unrelated ailment, contracting Covid while in the hospital and then dying), is the fact that vaccines have such a little track record of side effects given the ratio of illnesses and deaths to that of those vaccinated. If just 10% of those vaccinated suffered such outcomes, then yes, vaccine hesitancy would be understandable by almost everyone. That is not the case, so any rational person can only view this hesitancy or rejection of the vaccines as the acts of stubborn stupid people who, furthermore, can't understand why they are treated as such and never will, I'm afraid.
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Posted: October 04 2021 at 04:44
Atavachron wrote:
Things are getting a bit Star Warsian... makes one wonder if all this is a plot to take over the Democrats by destroying the GOP from within and turning the Dems into the moderate conservative party the Repubs were fifty years ago.
I don't see a moderate conservative trend David. The ultra progressives wield a lot of power now and Biden, the conservative, is coddling them. I can only see this trend getting worse in the future with a split party of 50/50 conservatives and progressives, with nothing ever getting done.
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Posted: October 04 2021 at 07:55
SteveG wrote:
The hardest thing to take about the anti vaccine populous, aside from being healthcare workers who put patients at risk (imagine going to the ICU for an unrelated ailment, contracting Covid while in the hospital and then dying), is the fact that vaccines have such a little track record of side effects given the ratio of illnesses and deaths to that of those vaccinated. If just 10% of those vaccinated suffered such outcomes, then yes, vaccine hesitancy would be understandable by almost everyone. That is not the case, so any rational person can only view this hesitancy or rejection of the vaccines as the acts of stubborn stupid people who, furthermore, can't understand why they are treated as such and never will, I'm afraid.
I'm not anti-vaccine. All the nurses, I know who refuse the jab...are not anti-vaccine. All the nurses I know are pro-vaccine They've received all their other vaccines. What's the deal? The Healthcare workers don't trust the way the government rushed out the vaccines. They don't trust the government or it's mandates. It's been politicized. Want proof? I can post video of President Biden and Vice President Harris stating that they don't trust the vaccine and would never take it. The same exact vaccine that Biden mandates. What's the difference between then and now. Back then Trump was in power. Now, Biden wields power.
You will have to imagine and pretend, because your scenario has NOT happened. Name a specific case where your imaginary scenario took place. Governement stats and Biden stated the odds of a vaccinated person even going to the hospital for Covid is 1/160,000. The odds of a vaccinated person dying from Covid are less than that. The odds of a non-vaccinated healthcare worker giving Covid to a patient in the hospital are extremely low.
I get tested twice weekly. I wear a gown, hair covering, face shield, a N-95 mask, and gloves. I wash my hands between each patient. I discard my gloves between each patient. We have similarly attired help who constantly sanitize the entire hospital. All visitors are tested. All patients are tested every three days. If a patient tests positive, they are completely isolated. If a healthcare worker tests positive, they have to quarantine at home for 10 days.
My body, my choice.
Edited by omphaloskepsis - October 04 2021 at 08:01
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Posted: October 04 2021 at 08:02
SteveG wrote:
The hardest thing to take about the anti vaccine populous, aside from being healthcare workers who put patients at risk (imagine going to the ICU for an unrelated ailment, contracting Covid while in the hospital and then dying), is the fact that vaccines have such a little track record of side effects given the ratio of illnesses and deaths to that of those vaccinated. If just 10% of those vaccinated suffered such outcomes, then yes, vaccine hesitancy would be understandable by almost everyone. That is not the case, so any rational person can only view this hesitancy or rejection of the vaccines as the acts of stubborn stupid people who, furthermore, can't understand why they are treated as such and never will, I'm afraid.
At least you tried to answer JD’s brainfart…
Ok, so you took the vaccine and had no immediate side effects.For the sake of argument, you will not experience
any long-term complications from the experimental gene therapy either.You go to a hospital and there’s covid all
around you, but you need not worry, the efficiency of said “vaccine” is off the
charts.You come out unscathed...
An unvaccinated “stupid” person walks into the same hospital,
contracts the virus and falls severely ill and maybe even dies.This is the person you are afraid for.
You are so concerned about your fellow human beings that you
would strip them of their rights and force them inject something into their bodies
that they don’t want for their own good.
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Posted: October 04 2021 at 08:31
@CosmicVibration: Your thing seems to be that the vaccine either has to be 100% safe and effective or is not to be trusted. Nothing in life is 100% safe and effective though. Vaccinated people may become ill and die as well, just not many. It's not only about an individual person protecting themselves. It's about the general spread of the virus including its possibility to mutate and produce new variants. At some point maybe there's one the vaccine won't help against. Or at some point a mutated version will dominate that is totally harmless, who knows. Until then, it's about numbers. Vaccinated people can still transmit the virus but transmissibility is lowered. Vaccinated people are still at risk, but the more people are vaccinated, the lower is that risk. The vaccines have side effects, dangerous for some, yet far less dangerous than Covid in vaccinated people. The more people vaccinated, the fewer will die, and the more freedom is possible without putting people's health at risk. Individuals don't tend to care about this, they ask "does it protect me?" and may worry about side effects. Those who demand 100% protection and safety won't be convinced (and neither will those influenced by weirdos such as the German guy who had claimed that most vaccinated people will be dead by end September). "Personal freedom" has to be weighted against the epidemiology of the overall population. Is personal freedom worth 100,000 deaths more or less? Of course that's a made up number because nobody can give a number that will be accepted by all...
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