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Points: 2296 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2010 at 19:49
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by James McProgger James McProgger wrote:

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"I mean, we have one bandmember that would literally not even sit in the same room with the rest of us for years now and we'd only see him on stage or at meet-and-greets.."

Myung, i think.


I honestly hope they kick Labrie out, I can only stand the instrumental versions of BC&SL. he should had quit since that damn fish incident


No, that's LaBrie. He has been in a long feud with Portnoy and is know to work separately from the band since Scenes, when he only acted / did anything at the time of singing the vocals, and that's how it has been ever since. Besides, LaBrie is the one with five solo albums. And he have no credit in any song in Black Clouds. This sure smell fishy.


According to their official Bio "Lifting Shadows", Labrie never get involved in songwriting process because the band told him not to, then, after Six Degrees, Portnoy thought that he HAS to be there in the composition, so, James get involved since and that's why he has a lot of input in lyrics, at least in Octavarium and SC. But, for the Black Clouds album, he was meant to met with the band a week later for the composition, and again Mike called him saying that they won't need him for lyrics, since they have several song already done. James stated that he wanted to get involved and told Mike that he was no happy with that decission and that in the next album he wanted to be involved and that it was fine ONLY because of the band, but that it won't happened again.
 
See, again, Mike trying to tell anyone what to do and how to do it. He needs to relax a bit, because James writes better songs than him...


Really? Shocked

I hate every single solo album that LaBrie has released so far, though his last two albums, released under his own name, were a bit better than the ones as MullMuzzler. His latest is pretty bad, though. It is as if he managed to WORSEN the already terrible Göthenburg-style melodic death metal. PinchSick

I honestly blame Labrie for all this.

ok i dont ... but if he is not one of the "creative minds" behind the song writing, well, just step aside and let the masters do they work. 
he does a great frontman tho, but so did Ian Guillan back at the time purple were THE Band, then he just couldnt sing the same.

tl;dr when portnoy gets back, its gonna be time for LaBrie to step aside.
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All this just reeks of Mike Portnoy suffocating the band, and nothing else. I have confidence everyone will be able to do their jobs better. Just let them breathe, Mike.
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I've skipped the last couple of pages because I CBF, but I'd love to see DT branch out and just do whatever the hell they feel like.

What I really want to hear though, is more of their accoustic material. They rarely do it, but they're so damn good at it. Think of The Silent Man, or the last five minutes of The Count of Tuscany. The handful of accoustic moments they have are all excellent. I would buy an accoustic DT album, even if they'd never do it.

Pretty sure Portnoy isn't the only metalhead in the band though. Petrucci is a shredder at heart, so they'll never go completely interesting.
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Originally posted by Majikthise Majikthise wrote:

I've skipped the last couple of pages because I CBF, but I'd love to see DT branch out and just do whatever the hell they feel like.

What I really want to hear though, is more of their accoustic material. They rarely do it, but they're so damn good at it. Think of The Silent Man, or the last five minutes of The Count of Tuscany. The handful of accoustic moments they have are all excellent. I would buy an accoustic DT album, even if they'd never do it.

Pretty sure Portnoy isn't the only metalhead in the band though. Petrucci is a shredder at heart, so they'll never go completely interesting.

 
Portnoy is actually a massive Beatles fan, so their melodic side comes from him alot of the times. But I think JP's metal side is fired by Portnoy, so who knows, more mellower music might be an outcome, but I think it's going to be quite a heavy album, which is a shame, cause I think they have amazing acoustic melodic songs.
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Call me a conspiracist (if such word exists lol) if you want , i just feel like the whole melodrama thingy was cooked for discussions like these,articles and blogs to attract attention to both DT and MP , since he was gonna leave anyways , i guess this could be the best outcome of such a move.

 As a previous DT big fan , (up until Octavarium ,which i didnt like tbh) their sound just went bad to me with the heavy guitar riffs being played and heavy metal coaty sound in their music,i still believe MP was the spirit of their music signature to me (not that am saying the other members are not as good) .

But i guess like mentioned above , i hope their new drummer drifts them all to a new sound so i can get back to their liking cause i really used to love'em , they're members (excluding Labrie :P) have a lot of talent to offer givin the right blend and music style Smile

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I had just forgotten about him
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Originally posted by TazManiaN_DeViL TazManiaN_DeViL wrote:

Call me a conspiracist (if such word exists lol) if you want , i just feel like the whole melodrama thingy was cooked for discussions like these,articles and blogs to attract attention to both DT and MP , since he was gonna leave anyways , i guess this could be the best outcome of such a move.

 As a previous DT big fan , (up until Octavarium ,which i didnt like tbh) their sound just went bad to me with the heavy guitar riffs being played and heavy metal coaty sound in their music,i still believe MP was the spirit of their music signature to me (not that am saying the other members are not as good) .

But i guess like mentioned above , i hope their new drummer drifts them all to a new sound so i can get back to their liking cause i really used to love'em , they're members (excluding Labrie :P) have a lot of talent to offer givin the right blend and music style Smile
 
I think your right, this is the most press DT have ever got, smart men they are
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I had just forgotten about him
 
Well time to remember him haha
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Portnoys relationship with Avenged Sevenfold has come to an end



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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

All this just reeks of Mike Portnoy suffocating the band, and nothing else. I have confidence everyone will be able to do their jobs better. Just let them breathe, Mike.
Basically, this is what you find in almost every interview each member said several times, even before Mike left the band.
 
Jordan do write lyrics, but he once said "I don't want the guys (Mike) overanalyzing my lyrics and thinking too much if the fans gonna like it, so I really don't want to pass through that process", problems with James have been there for years now and Myung, welll he never speaks anyway...
 
Well, now that MP left A7X, he will have more time to whinne more... sad...
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Originally posted by James McProgger James McProgger wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by James McProgger James McProgger wrote:

Mike:
"I mean, we have one bandmember that would literally not even sit in the same room with the rest of us for years now and we'd only see him on stage or at meet-and-greets.."

Myung, i think.


I honestly hope they kick Labrie out, I can only stand the instrumental versions of BC&SL. he should had quit since that damn fish incident


No, that's LaBrie. He has been in a long feud with Portnoy and is know to work separately from the band since Scenes, when he only acted / did anything at the time of singing the vocals, and that's how it has been ever since. Besides, LaBrie is the one with five solo albums. And he have no credit in any song in Black Clouds. This sure smell fishy.


According to their official Bio "Lifting Shadows", Labrie never get involved in songwriting process because the band told him not to, then, after Six Degrees, Portnoy thought that he HAS to be there in the composition, so, James get involved since and that's why he has a lot of input in lyrics, at least in Octavarium and SC. But, for the Black Clouds album, he was meant to met with the band a week later for the composition, and again Mike called him saying that they won't need him for lyrics, since they have several song already done. James stated that he wanted to get involved and told Mike that he was no happy with that decission and that in the next album he wanted to be involved and that it was fine ONLY because of the band, but that it won't happened again.
 
See, again, Mike trying to tell anyone what to do and how to do it. He needs to relax a bit, because James writes better songs than him...


Really? Shocked

I hate every single solo album that LaBrie has released so far, though his last two albums, released under his own name, were a bit better than the ones as MullMuzzler. His latest is pretty bad, though. It is as if he managed to WORSEN the already terrible Göthenburg-style melodic death metal. PinchSick

I honestly blame Labrie for all this.

ok i dont ... but if he is not one of the "creative minds" behind the song writing, well, just step aside and let the masters do they work. 
he does a great frontman tho, but so did Ian Guillan back at the time purple were THE Band, then he just couldnt sing the same.

tl;dr when portnoy gets back, its gonna be time for LaBrie to step aside.
That's exactly my point, James has been taking a lot of sh*tload from fans, critics and even the same Mike over the years and he has been doing it well, never getting in confrontations or playing it like a wussy. He did everything for the band (even sung by two years with his vocals chords hurted) and he is not complaining, he has been staying tall for the band...
 
If Mike returns (eventually), I hope he won't be able to take the shots, because honestly, the band is way more talented that the way he pushed them to go in the last couple of years...
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Don't know if this was already posted in some other Portnoy thread, but as this one seems to have been the most active recently...


http://www.classicrockmagazine.com/news/mike-portnoy-fails-in-attempt-to-rejoin-dream-theater/

Mike Portnoy appears to have made a sensational attempt to smooth things over with his former Dream Theater bandmates, and get back with them. But he admits this has failed.

He has revealed the following on his own forum:

“Just for the record, this is indeed true..
 
“Fairly recently, I reached out to the guys to try and make amends and offered to reconcile for the sake of having peace back in our lives…(plus I know how much it meant to a lot of the fans…)
 
“I figured it was still possible to try and save us because they hadn’t made any announcements yet or begun any public activity with another drummer…but sadly, they declined my offer (well, actually their lawyer did…they didn’t even tell me themselves….)
 
“Sorry gang, I honestly gave it my all…
“So now the fans on my twitter and facebook can please stop asking me to go back to DT…I tried, and the door is now shut…the ball is now in their court, not mine…
 
“PS – I’m not crying or looking for mercy by posting this…I am merely trying to set the record straight as that is always the most important thing about my relationship with you guys…no BS, no spins, nothing to hide…and for better or for worse, I tell it like it is…
 
“I’ve also recently seen some people accuse my online activity of ‘looking for attention or media coverage’, or ‘Looking for sympathy’, but it’s honestly none of the above…I merely value having an open and active communication with my fans…always have, always will…it is the cornerstone of everything I’ve done since day #1 with DT…”
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Oh well. But I don't think he should worry too much. I believe more in the separate persons in former DT than the band itself. I also belong to the group of people that think that DT recently lost their spark and might be at the end of their career even before MP left.

He should go out there, have fun, start new interesting projects.
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I don't think taking sides is necessary in this - according to both MP and DT their split was amicable, I'm just very sad (yes, still!Cry) that it happened.

As for the comments along the lines of "just a drummer leaving a band", I can't quite agree.  Portnoy was much more than just DT's drummer, he was a founder member and their spokesperson/representative, easily the most high-profile member of the band.

I keep wondering whether his return to DT is inevitable at some point, especially given that his involvement with A7X has now ended, but my brother read somewhere the other week that MP had approached DT in an attempt to bury the hatchet and rejoin, but that the other members of DT said no - possibly because they've already taken on a replacement.  Whether this is just a rumour I don't know - anyone else heard this?
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After posting my above comment, I've just noticed the one from Pekka a few comments before mine that answered my question!!  Sorry I wasn't very observant there - I've not been on here for a while and had only read the first few commentsEmbarrassed.
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[QUOTE=Pekka]
sadly, they declined my offer (well, actually their lawyer did…they didn’t even tell me themselves….)/QUOTE]

Well Mike, it's their loss.
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I was disappointed when it happened, but now I'm actually a bit more optimistic about the future of DT.  From all the talk of Portnoy restricting the other band members (if true), it gives them more freedom.  A new drummer bringing in new influences should be interesting as well.


I understand Mike is obviously very upset about leaving, but if he wants any chance of rejoining the band in the future, it would be a good idea to at least try to remain on good terms with the band.  The way he's been behaving lately hasn't really done him any favours.  There are some things best not made public
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From what I understand, he left the band and then changed his mind a few months later when other opportunities didn't pan out... so I'm not really sure what he was expecting.

But as always, I'm on the side of whatever gets both sides to create great music for the rest of us. ;)
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OK, so apparently they split (for the moment).

I see it as a good thing, because Dream Theater will still be a formidable force without Portnoy, and MP himself will probably release a lot of good material/albums as he's done in  the past

To my way of thinking the amount of quality output to be expected has just doubled.


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Wow this went on for a bit, sorry If I'm coming back to it now

SO....
Mike Mangini might be new drummer...discuss...:D
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