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Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

Floyd are 2nd or 3rd tier prog to me. They were limited to mellow prog because they didn't have the composition capabilities or musical talent to produce jazzed up prog.


Mellow progConfused? I suppose stuff like "A Saucerful of Secrets" or "Careful With That Axe, Eugene" is mellow to you... Oh, well, everyone to their own. It's not my way to ridicule people's opinions, so I'll leave it at that, though I find your statement doesn't hold water at all.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Catcher10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2010 at 15:28
Listen to music because you like it...not because it is labeled prog or classic or pop or metal. Those are labels and are subject to debate. I doubt there is any band that starts out their career saying "we only want to play/record/write prog rock music!"
Sounds like OP is bored of PF right now.....That is easy to understand because they have been around forever and you hear them on all the classic rock stations, people talk about DSOTM all the time...its a great album, period.
Take a break and come back to them in a couple months and maybe your opinion will change.
I'm sure the same can be said about Rush, Yes, Genesis....these bands have been around forever and continue to make music......That is their challenge to create new music to keep you and new fans buying their albums....which we will.
 
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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

Floyd are 2nd or 3rd tier prog to me. They were limited to mellow prog because they didn't have the composition capabilities or musical talent to produce jazzed up prog.


Mellow progConfused? I suppose stuff like "A Saucerful of Secrets" or "Careful With That Axe, Eugene" is mellow to you... Oh, well, everyone to their own. It's not my way to ridicule people's opinions, so I'll leave it at that, though I find your statement doesn't hold water at all.
 
almost every song in the 70's was mellow. You mentioned 60's songs ;)
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Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

Floyd are 2nd or 3rd tier prog to me. They were limited to mellow prog because they didn't have the composition capabilities or musical talent to produce jazzed up prog.



Seriously?   Well, atleast we can be sure of this.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pekka Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2010 at 17:22
Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

They were limited to mellow prog because they didn't have the composition capabilities or musical talent to produce jazzed up prog.

And why would you suppose "jazzed up prog" was something they were yearning to make, if only their lack of talent wasn't holding them down?

That's the idea I get from your post.
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Originally posted by classicprogsovereign classicprogsovereign wrote:

And, really, I'm just kind of getting sick of their music altogether; not that any of it is bad, I've just heard it all too much!


you know, once you get tired of a band you jump to another one. I think there is enough good music around to satisfy your lust for new climates. You can also try other musical genres than prog. I for myself listen to blues, classical music, jazz, metal, punk, gothic rock, world, soul, alternative rock, hardcore, funk, folk, electronic music, pop, even some rap, so I never get tired of what I am listening to.
And trust me, prog is far from being the best musical genre in the world, it is nevertheless not really a genre per se as it draws inspiration from other established genres : classical music, psychedelic rock, folk, electronic music and hard-rock for some of them.
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Uh, no, not really. I do think PF are a bit overrated (not too overrated, but they don't deserve all the hype compared to other seminal prog bands), and I'm not too much of a fan. Hence, when I'm listening to PF, I'm doing it in carefully measured amounts, and I don't get fed up.Big smile


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Floyd is the most overrated crap band ever! Come on, what are we talking about? Only David Gilmour has any talent, Waters and Mason are a lousy boring monotonous rhythm section, and all the lyrics that Waters can write can be summed up as "Boo hoo hoo, my daddy died in WW2, so the world sucks, they're all against me", while being blind for the fact that he's an arrogant a**hole himself! Come on, the popularity of Floyd is based on gimmicks and not on their music. Would "Money" have been a big hit without the cash registers? Would "Another brick" been a hit without the children's voices? I DON"T THINK SO!
F*ck Waters, give me a band of real musicians. Like for example Yes.
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Originally posted by Anthony Anthony wrote:

Floyd is the most overrated crap band ever! Come on, what are we talking about? Only David Gilmour has any talent, Waters and Mason are a lousy boring monotonous rhythm section, and all the lyrics that Waters can write can be summed up as "Boo hoo hoo, my daddy died in WW2, so the world sucks, they're all against me", while being blind for the fact that he's an arrogant a**hole himself! Come on, the popularity of Floyd is based on gimmicks and not on their music. Would "Money" have been a big hit without the cash registers? Would "Another brick" been a hit without the children's voices? I DON"T THINK SO!
F*ck Waters, give me a band of real musicians. Like for example Yes.

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Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony Anthony wrote:

Floyd is the most overrated crap band ever! Come on, what are we talking about? Only David Gilmour has any talent, Waters and Mason are a lousy boring monotonous rhythm section, and all the lyrics that Waters can write can be summed up as "Boo hoo hoo, my daddy died in WW2, so the world sucks, they're all against me", while being blind for the fact that he's an arrogant a**hole himself! Come on, the popularity of Floyd is based on gimmicks and not on their music. Would "Money" have been a big hit without the cash registers? Would "Another brick" been a hit without the children's voices? I DON"T THINK SO!
F*ck Waters, give me a band of real musicians. Like for example Yes.

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Is anyone else getting kind of sick of pink floyd?

No I'm not, and no I'm not just contradicting you Stern Smile

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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

 
There are a couple of other threads on this board that discuss the origins of the term "prog", and in general it is kind of agreed that the term took shape in the late 80's and early 90's ... and I'm ok with that ...
I'm not. Stern Smile
 
I'm sick of people re-writing history because it fits their narrow view. The term "prog" was used in the early 70s through-out Great Britain - you know, that place where all these classic prog bands came from - and we all knew at the time what it meant and which groups and artists it applied to. That the rest of the world took 10-20 years to catch-up is irrelevant.
 
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Originally posted by classicprogsovereign classicprogsovereign wrote:

...what is the progressive band that gets tons of airplay on the radio? Pink Floyd. Which progressive rock band has sold millions upon millions of records over their contemporaries, who are arguably better? Pink Floyd. Which band receives almost universal acclaim for a style of music that other bands did just as well, if not better? PINK FLOYD. 
...what??!!! "tons of airplay on the radio"???!!! Which radio stations play Pink Floyd? - I struggle to find a radio station in the UK that plays rock of any kind and as far as I recall, Birmingham is no different...
 
...hang on... you mentioned Kansas... you're from one of those other Birmingham's aren't you?
Originally posted by classicprogsovereign classicprogsovereign wrote:

Trust me, you can ask any classic rock junky about Pink Floyd, and they'd claim to be all-knowing in the realm of progressive rock music. I dare you, ask them about Van der Graaf Generator or Family, and they'd be totally lost. This is what I mean. Pink Floyd is a great band, sure, and one of the best prog bands, without a doubt, but, I mean, COME ON. What did they ever do that makes them so much better and so much more popular than Tull, Yes, and ELP?
 
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

 
There are a couple of other threads on this board that discuss the origins of the term "prog", and in general it is kind of agreed that the term took shape in the late 80's and early 90's ... and I'm ok with that ...
I'm not. Stern Smile
 
I'm sick of people re-writing history because it fits their narrow view. The term "prog" was used in the early 70s through-out Great Britain - you know, that place where all these classic prog bands came from - and we all knew at the time what it meant and which groups and artists it applied to. That the rest of the world took 10-20 years to catch-up is irrelevant.
 
Being a late comer to this forum I had never heard this idea before - The term 'prog' took shape in the late 80's early 90s?  Whooa mental!  Where on earth did moshkito get that idea? 
 
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Originally posted by Anthony Anthony wrote:

Floyd is the most overrated crap band ever! Come on, what are we talking about? Only David Gilmour has any talent, Waters and Mason are a lousy boring monotonous rhythm section, and all the lyrics that Waters can write can be summed up as "Boo hoo hoo, my daddy died in WW2, so the world sucks, they're all against me", while being blind for the fact that he's an arrogant a**hole himself! Come on, the popularity of Floyd is based on gimmicks and not on their music. Would "Money" have been a big hit without the cash registers? Would "Another brick" been a hit without the children's voices? I DON"T THINK SO!
F*ck Waters, give me a band of real musicians. Like for example Yes.

You are so right.
Waters can only write about all the stuff you said, and Peter Hammill can only write about solitude, they both suck so much. I don't care if they write the lyrics carefully or not, or whether it has deeper meaning or not, the subjects are just so stupid. Also, you're so right about Money. The song would suck so much if there were no cash registers! I don't care about David's guitar solos, the lyrics or the music at all, cause those just are plain stupid, but the cash registers, WOW, they are fantastic and make me want to listen to the song over and over again. Also the band has no talent watsoever! Come on, anyone could do what Mason did on live At Pompeii and who couldn't write an album like Animals!?
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Perhaps some Pepto Bismal would help. LOL

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I have read Anthony0s post, while I was listening to ABWH "Let's Pretend". They are two different things. I agree about the musical skills, but they can't be compared. I think PF, Yes and Genesis are like the three fundamental colours. All the following prog music pays something to them, and all the other artists on PA are in some ways a mix of the three. How can PF be overrated if they have clearly inspired groups like Mostly Autumn, Porcupine Tree, Riverside, and in some way also groups in the Genesis area like Marillion and (Don't think I'm crazy) Camel?. In particular The Snow Goose is strongly floydian.Of course there are exceptions like King Crimson and Soft Machine or Magma. About Water's daddy and WW2, it was a period in Water's life, between The Wall and Radio Kaos, but Welcome to the Machine doesn't seem to be about anybody's father. Music is not only made of skill. If it was so we would only listen to Al di Meola or Jaco Pastorius or Billy Cobham. Does any of them give you the same vibrations as Echoes? Finally, "Close to the Edge' is a great album, but if I have to choose, I'll probably spin Meddle or WYWH instead.
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Originally posted by Anthony Anthony wrote:

Floyd is the most overrated crap band ever! Come on, what are we talking about? Only David Gilmour has any talent, Waters and Mason are a lousy boring monotonous rhythm section, and all the lyrics that Waters can write can be summed up as "Boo hoo hoo, my daddy died in WW2, so the world sucks, they're all against me", while being blind for the fact that he's an arrogant a**hole himself! Come on, the popularity of Floyd is based on gimmicks and not on their music. Would "Money" have been a big hit without the cash registers? Would "Another brick" been a hit without the children's voices? I DON"T THINK SO!
F*ck Waters, give me a band of real musicians. Like for example Yes.


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Nice to see people who are not able to express opinions without peppering their posts with expletives! It must make them feel so very  grown-upDead!



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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony Anthony wrote:

Floyd is the most overrated crap band ever! Come on, what are we talking about? Only David Gilmour has any talent, Waters and Mason are a lousy boring monotonous rhythm section, and all the lyrics that Waters can write can be summed up as "Boo hoo hoo, my daddy died in WW2, so the world sucks, they're all against me", while being blind for the fact that he's an arrogant a**hole himself! Come on, the popularity of Floyd is based on gimmicks and not on their music. Would "Money" have been a big hit without the cash registers? Would "Another brick" been a hit without the children's voices? I DON"T THINK SO!
F*ck Waters, give me a band of real musicians. Like for example Yes.


LOLLOLLOL

Nice to see people who are not able to express opinions without peppering their posts with expletives! It must make them feel so very  grown-upDead!


Just as grown-up as Roger Waters perhaps: "f**k all that, we've gotta get on with these" (Not now John), "You f**ked up old hag" (Pigs), "I said: "f**k it then, take the kids back to town, maybe I'll see you around" (Go fishing)


Edited by Anthony - January 03 2010 at 08:55
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I'm not getting sick of Floyd overall. However, the era led by Gilmour (momentary lapse..and ..Division Bell) gets a bit uninteresting I think because Roger Waters gives them a bit more passion. I like a piece of music with a 'pissed off' ambience sometimes as it balances out my massive, cheery Yes binges! LOL The Syd era is pretty fun to listen to also. Actually, the only Pink Floyd album that I really don't like is Atom Heart Mother.
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