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chamberry 
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 Posted: August 20 2007 at 20:05 |
 heyitsthatguy wrote:
this may be a little off topic but could we get Porcupine Tree moved to one of these new genres? They haven't been psychedelic in ages
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I wouldn't mind seeing them being moved to one of the new genres. Seeing them in psychedelic is quite misleading. I'll see what I can do.
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chamberry
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 20:06 |
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Tony R
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 20:06 |
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Heavy Prog?
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 20:08 |
chamberry wrote:
heyitsthatguy wrote:
this may be a little off topic but could we get Porcupine Tree moved to one of these new genres? They haven't been psychedelic in ages |
I wouldn't mind seeing them being moved to one of the new genres. Seeing them in psychedelic is quite misleading. I'll see what I can do.
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I've been bringing this up for quite a while. They'd fit in well with eclectic or based on their latest outputs, heavy. I feel that they've gone far beyond psychedelic and have embraced a new musical outlook.
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 20:10 |
I think they're meant for psychedelic.
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chamberry
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 20:19 |
I agree. I'll bring this up to the psych team to see their opinions on it. Thanks for the reminder. 
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Proletariat
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 20:20 |
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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fungusucantkill
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 20:25 |
i most definetly would pull for a math rock sub genre. It seems so NEEDED 
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 20:27 |
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chamberry
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 20:30 |
We're working on it. There hasn't been a clear decision yet, but we're still fighting for it.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 20:33 |
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Indeed. I'm all in favour of it and it has been discussed.
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Proletariat
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 20:34 |
It would be great and would open the door for so many bands who deserve adds but dont fit the current subgenres.
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who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob
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chamberry
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 20:36 |
Lets hope the Admins are reading this. 
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 22:03 |
Although I first I was angry VDGG were Crossover (until I figured it out), it mostly makes sense now, although I still kind of get that feeling that we're just making sh*t up. ;-) Nobody was talking about Crossover back then, and I don't like imposing genres retroactively, but on the other hand it is a excellent compromise to micky's Rush for prog-related campaign. :)
Haha, cham, if I were a collab I would fight with you! Maybe one day I'll get around to writing all those reviews...
Based on their latest output, I think PT would fit very well in Crossover. :P
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memowakeman
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 22:17 |
chamberry wrote:
heyitsthatguy wrote:
this may be a little off topic but could we get Porcupine Tree moved to one of these new genres? They haven't been psychedelic in ages |
I wouldn't mind seeing them being moved to one of the new genres. Seeing them in psychedelic is quite misleading. I'll see what I can do.
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Now that everyone wants to do everything, i want to move Elfonia from Prog Folk to crossover prog. 
Returning to the point, i believe it is a good decision, sometimes Art Rock was very confusing and it is good to rearrange bands into a kind of Art Rock sub-subgenre, now lets hope people can get used and adjust to these new genres soon. 
And by the way, looking to this list:
Bands that represent Heavy Prog would include ATOMIC ROOSTER, URIAH HEEP, TEMPEST, BLACK WIDOW, DR. Z, RUSH, WARHORSE, PAATOS, BIRTH CONTROL, TILES.
Paatos are my favorite heavy prog band 
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chamberry
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 22:36 |
Thanks Ghandi!  And Memo, I was thinking about moving Paatos to the post-rock genre. I haven't heard their latest album so I can't make a full observation on them, but if they label themselves as post-rock and their sound in Kallocain is post-rock then something must be done. Lets wait for the work of moving bands from genre to genre be finished so we can later ask for these moves.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 22:44 |
I still believe Hard Prog is more precise than Heavy Prog.
The word HEAVY has Metal connotations and most of the bands that are going to be added there have absolutely no connection with Metal.
I was against Hard Prog (Never even imagined Heavy Prog). because it's too wide but in this case that's precisely it's advantage, Uriah Heep, Rush, Atomic Rooster, etc have more relation with Hard Rock than with Heavy Metal and being the term so wide, even some bands with Metal elements could fit there comfortably.
Just remember Every Metal Band has a Hard Rock component, but not every Hard Rock (Or hard Prog) band is related to Heavy Metal, we're creating confusion and a conflictive gray area, there0's already one with Crossover, lets not add more, it's just a word that may make things simpler.
Lets keep Prog Metal as a totally independent sub-genre.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - August 20 2007 at 22:54
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 23:39 |
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new subgenres!!?
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Prog-jester
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 02:36 |
hell yeah! It's nice to refresh the old Archives system!!!
What about Indie/Alternative Prog now? OCEANSIZE, AMPLIFIER, RADIOHEAD, DREDG, THE MARS VOLTA, THE AMBER LIGHT, SLINT, TOOL, A PERFECT CIRCLE, AND YOU WILL KNOW US BY THE TRAIL OF DEAD, THE DECEMBERISTS, THE SECRET MACHINES, BARK PSYCHOSIS, BAUER, COHEED AND CAMBRIA, YOUTHMOVIES, THREE, PAATOS, GAZPACHO, PURE REASON REVOLUTION, SIGUR ROS, PINEAPPLE THIEF, LIS ER STILLE...
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Tapfret
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Posted: August 21 2007 at 03:04 |
Wow it is absolutely awesome how little I care about more pointless names to pigeon whole bands, some of whom have ludicrously little to do with progressive anything.
Proto-prog, avant-garde prog, post-neo-industrial-sasquatch-crossover-penguin loving-heavy metal-Ukranian folk dance prog......  (edit: I just noticed that the previous poster is in Ukraine, not directed at you specifically, let's change it to heavy metal-Sri Lankan folk dance prog)
It's like the other day and I asked who the band was on some guys t-shirt, when he told me I asked him if they were metal. His snide reply was, "No! They're *black* metal" ....WHO CARES?!?! Simplify man!
From now on I think I'm going to just have 2 genres, "music I like" and "the rest of the crap".
If somebody asks me, I might give some descriptives like, "Their kind of jazzy", "...bluesy...", "...heavy...", "...all over the place..."
Edited by Tapfret - August 21 2007 at 03:07
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New subgenres?!?!
