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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2007 at 11:11

All the heavy songs of Dream Theater have a good and intelligent arrangements, with fantastic vocals and different moods like Endless Sacrifice, In The Name Of God, Beyond This Life, Fatal Tragedy, The Mirror,Panic Attack and a big e.t.c. Heavy or not, i only expect good music in the new album.

By The Way: Systematic ChaosDead i don't like this title



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2007 at 12:14
Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:


Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I don't like the sound of that album name. =/
can't say I'm a terribly big fan of it, but we'll let the music speak for itself Smile


Funny, but we haven't heard a single note and already the title and record label are under fire.

I'm really looking forward to this.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2007 at 12:32
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by johnobvious johnobvious wrote:

I was going to say, "let the Bashing begin" but it
appears that was unnecessary.  And let's throw some Rush bashing
in also.  Two for the price of one.  Just what we need.Dead


Saying I don't like the name of the album isn't bashing. I believe
bashing would be like, the only thing that sucks more than that name is
the music.


I wouldn't say it's bashing, either; but, I would chalk this up to nit picking.

I guess I'm a visual person, so I want to see what the package design is going to be. The same goes for the new Rush disc. Snakes And Arrows may sound a bit askew on the surface, but let's see what Mr. Syme puts together. I spoke with him on Thursday about a project that he may be working on of ours and he said that everything is coming around nicely. He sounded very proud of it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2007 at 13:04
"Falling Into Infinity" is one of the best DT efforts. And "Lines In The Sand" is one of their best songs.

Thanks for information, I'm really looking forward to hearing the "Systematic Chaos".

I noticed Stone Sour and other apalling stuff in the first article dedicated to DT's new album, but I hope DT will not fall down and play such music as Stone Sour do.

What about the title... quite scary... smells of Nu-Metal-Hardcore-Modern-sh*t stuff...

But "Thain Of Thought" was a very intelligent title, even art-rockish title, although ToT is DT's heaviest album... so... I don't care of the new album title.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2007 at 13:39
To those of you that seem to think that this album will likely be Dt's heaviest, or very heavy-

If you guys had done some research you'd know that  Mike Portnoy himself said on Eddy Trunk's radio show that the album "has its aggressive moments" and has "lots of ups and downs" (when speaking about album mood).

Judging by MP's comments, I do not in any way think this will be as heavy as Train of Thought. I'm guessing it may be as heavy or lighter than Octavarium.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2007 at 14:19
Let's analyze The Dream's history for a moment:
 
WDADU : let's not count this as it's the first and atrocious Dominici almost ruins it (the music is good so he didn't).
 
IAW: Ultra-prog metal, it's heavy but with a lot of melody, lots of mellow passages.
 
A:  Less prog, less melodic, heavier.
 
FII: As prog as A, less heavy, softer, more melodic.
 
SFAM: Again Ultra-prog, heavy but with mopre enphasis put to the melody.
 
6DOIT: First cd - heavier, less melodic, one atrocious song (Glass Prison-couldn't lose the oportunity to say itBig%20smile).
              Second cd - ultra-prog, melody and heaviness combined.
 
TOT - A sort of return to A but even heavier. Not as prog, though. Enphasis on melody: not strong.
 
O: More melodic, softer but still heavy. Not as prog but proggier that TOT.
 
 
According to these awful and rushed research, we find that the time has come for another "pure-prog-metal" in the veins of IAW, SFAM or the second cd of 6DOIT. Of course, when a band starts doing things predictably, it's no longer a good band. But DT has never done that. It's not that all the heavier albums sound the same or the more melodic do so.  If you compare FII with O, both are a little more straightforward and melodic but couldn't be more different; the same can be said about TOT and Awake, which have not much in common except the enphasis on heavier riffs (actually, TOT is MUCH heavier than A, which is MUCH proggier). IAW and SFAM are both the masterpieces of  the lot but don't sound the same.
 
What I mean is, the group has a tendency to explore different areas in each album, and never to repeat the "general mood" in two consecutive albums. So I would discard another melodic, straight forward album like O, but I also doubt we'll get a heavy-oriented effort like TOT. I think time has come for the third prog-masterpiece. Big%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smileBig%20smile
 
Unless Portnoy and Co. get angry like Daniel and start going the nu-metal, mtv-oriented way...
 
Yeah, right. My fellows will never do that.
 
Now I just hope they don't ever meet Nickelback in the label meetings... (Big%20smilewtf is a label meeting??)
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2007 at 14:30

CAN'T WAIT!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2007 at 14:44
i have a good feeling about this one personally
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2007 at 14:48
Originally posted by trauma0 trauma0 wrote:

CAN'T WAIT!!!



Me neither!!!!! I loved Octavarium (to me it's probably the most balanced album they've made) and hearing there's gonna be a new 20+ minutes epic, well....

How long til the release??? How loooong?? LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2007 at 15:56
I love DT epics. I think this will be a great disc, to be honest.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2007 at 16:01
Originally posted by Guillermizzimo Guillermizzimo wrote:

Originally posted by trauma0 trauma0 wrote:

CAN'T WAIT!!!



Me neither!!!!! I loved Octavarium (to me it's probably the most balanced album they've made) and hearing there's gonna be a new 20+ minutes epic, well....

How long til the release??? How loooong?? LOL
 
I'm taking tranquilizers on a daily basis, I may have to be taken to a facility, my nerves are on wreck status, I'm hitting my head against the walls, may have to sleep in a cushioned room.... f**king world, three more months??? How come they don't think on me? b*****ds! Big%20smileLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2007 at 16:21
Do you honestly think that Awake is just as Proggy as FII, The T?

I think Awake is just as proggy as I&W, but at that point they lost their slight hair-band influence that was in the background of Images & Words.

Plus I'm not so sure that SFAM is more prog than Awake. More technical solos does not equal more proggyness in my opinion. I think the reason I dont think SFAM is their best album is because of the overly- long technical solos in the middle of the songs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2007 at 16:23
I think Awake is a more prog album than I & W as well. I much prefer Awake- it has a better production which to me sounds less sterile than I & W does to me, especially Petrucci's drum sound which I hated on I & W.
 
SFAM is their masterwork for me and would be considered the most prog due to the concept too, I guess.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2007 at 17:57
Originally posted by salmacis salmacis wrote:

especially Petrucci's drum sound


LOL um..... Petrucci is the guitarist, Portnoy is the Drummer.

I'm not sure if you've looked at all the polls and everything about Petrucci thinking he is the drummer or if its just a typo, but I thought I might let you know if it isn't a typo.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2007 at 17:58
"Portnoy" isn't THAT fram from "Petrucci", to be fair :)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2007 at 18:07
It's a pretty cool news :-) I'm waiting for this release impatiently.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2007 at 18:40
I like Dream Theater they (as with most people) got me into Prog-metal with alil help from Opeth but they have offically sold out now, but then it wasn't going to be long before Roadrunner picked up another prog-metal band if you see they are trying to get a foothol in teh power metal market via Dragonforce now they are trying to get a foothold in the prog-market via DT.
Systematic chaos sounds ok but I agree with the otehr guy that sounds like a dragonforce record but may I add the name is a dragonforce album, listen to them they are basically systematic chaos. Kinda like Sikth but second rate.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2007 at 19:05
Originally posted by Space Dimentia Space Dimentia wrote:

I like Dream Theater they (as with most people) got me into Prog-metal with alil help from Opeth but they have offically sold out now, but then it wasn't going to be long before Roadrunner picked up another prog-metal band if you see they are trying to get a foothol in teh power metal market via Dragonforce now they are trying to get a foothold in the prog-market via DT.
Systematic chaos sounds ok but I agree with the otehr guy that sounds like a dragonforce record but may I add the name is a dragonforce album, listen to them they are basically systematic chaos. Kinda like Sikth but second rate.

So your saying because DT have signed with Roadrunner that means they have sold out, I gues Porcupine Tree have sold out as well as their new album is being released in Europ by Roadrunner as well.Ermm

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2007 at 19:23
DT sucks!Tongue

BTW I don't really mean it, I like DT, but this thread was just too civilized Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2007 at 20:36
Originally posted by MajesterX MajesterX wrote:

Originally posted by salmacis salmacis wrote:

especially Petrucci's drum sound


LOL um..... Petrucci is the guitarist, Portnoy is the Drummer.

I'm not sure if you've looked at all the polls and everything about Petrucci thinking he is the drummer or if its just a typo, but I thought I might let you know if it isn't a typo.
WinkWinkWink
 
Maybe he's right. Maybe they've been playing around with us from long ago and Portnoy REALLY is Petrucci and vice-versa..LOL
 
About the comment, of course I meant what I said (what would be the point in writing things I don't mean?LOL). I'll commit a crime against humanity and try to make a "progressiveness table" of DT albums: (later on I authorize you to seek me and burn me at the stake)
 
1. I&W
2. SFAM
3. 6DOIT (although I hate The Glass PrisonBig%20smile, but the album is very "prog")
4. WDADU (not about quality but about "progness"... this one started all)
5. A
6. TOT
7. O
8. FII
 
Now, to prove "progressiveness" isn't everything for me, let me do the same according to what i think are the best albums.
 
1. SFAM
2. I&W
3. A
4. FII ("A Change of Seasons" should be here... sadly, it's not an album, and the second half with the covers sucks)
5. O
6. TOT
7. 6DOIT (ONLY for the title track... if not it would be LAST)
8. WDADU (ONLY because of Dominici... if not, would've been above 6DOIT)
 
Don't know what was that all about but when I did my analysis, you can see, for me, "proggier" is not always the same as "better".
 
Let's just hope DT's next is both proggier and better than O (which is great anyway).
 
Actually, if a miracle would occur and the next album would surpass even SFAM, I couldn't be happier.
 
 
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