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Abstrakt 
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 Posted: November 10 2006 at 13:32 |
So now deep purple, black sabbath, jimi hendrix, the doors etc. are prog? 
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Peter
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 13:44 |
 Abstrakt wrote:
So now deep purple, black sabbath, jimi hendrix, the doors etc. are prog? |
 No. They're related, you know, like the way you're related to some single-celled organism named Bob that once drifted about in the primordial ooze.... 
Edited by Peter Rideout - November 10 2006 at 13:45
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 13:48 |
Hildegard Von Bingen next! 
Rock on -- ooo my soul! 
Edited by Peter Rideout - November 10 2006 at 13:48
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 14:09 |
I'm actually quite happy with how the poll turned out ... I just wanted to see whether some people agree that while Led Zeppelin is not a prog band, the songs on LZ IV exhibit many prog characteristics. 
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Sasquamo
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 16:59 |
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I can't believe all the "yes" votes. Led Zeppelin has a couple of albums that might pass as prog-related because they have like, three sort-of-prog songs, but even if you do call it prog, it's very simple, bad prog that everyone would hate if it wasn't Led Zeppelin playing it. This is not one of those albums. There is not a single song that has anything to do with prog on this album: Black Dog, Rock and Roll, are you kidding me? even Stairway to Heaven has a simple, verse-chorus structure, not to mention an embellished melody from another band's song. People call it prog because it's long (but it's also boring).
I vote "NO!!!" like everyone on this prog site should. It's okay to like Led Zeppelin, but just because you like them doesn't mean you get to call them prog.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 17:04 |
^ just a reminder: "prog-related" does not mean "prog". You're mixing up the terms in your post. And I'm pretty sure that most of the people who voted "yes" did not so because of Rock and Roll. 
Edited by MikeEnRegalia - November 10 2006 at 17:09
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Sasquamo
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 19:15 |
Sasquamo wrote:
I can't believe all the "yes" votes. Led Zeppelin has a couple of albums that might pass as prog-related because they have like, three sort-of-prog songs, but even if you do call it prog, it's very simple, bad prog that everyone would hate if it wasn't Led Zeppelin playing it. This is not one of those albums. There is not a single song that has anything to do with prog on this album: Black Dog, Rock and Roll, are you kidding me? even Stairway to Heaven has a simple, verse-chorus structure, not to mention an embellished melody from another band's song. People call it prog because it's long (but it's also boring).
I vote "NO!!!" like everyone on this prog site should. It's okay to like Led Zeppelin, but just because you like them doesn't mean you get to call them prog.
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 19:41 |
no
if we're on the topic of prog-related, why is Phish in that section??? they're at LEAST art-rock of jazz-rock/fusion
Edited by darkshade - November 10 2006 at 19:42
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 19:44 |
Yeah they're prog related, Houses of the Holy album has many proggy moments
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Arrrghus
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 19:48 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I'm actually quite happy with how the poll turned out ... I just wanted to see whether some people agree that while Led Zeppelin is not a prog band, the songs on LZ IV exhibit many prog characteristics.
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Show them to me. I fail to find any. I think the album is a masterpiece, but I fail to see any progginess.
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 19:50 |
Arrrghus wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I'm actually quite happy with how the poll turned out ... I just wanted to see whether some people agree that while Led Zeppelin is not a prog band, the songs on LZ IV exhibit many prog characteristics.
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Show them to me. I fail to find any. I think the album is a masterpiece, but I fail to see any progginess. |
Stairway to Heaven. 
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Sasquamo
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 20:20 |
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Stairway to Heaven...one of how many songs one that album? Eight? Besides, it's not even prog, despite how long it is. 4/4 throughout, nothing complex enough to call it prog. Plus, it's verse-chorus. That's why I find it so boring. It's long and it's repetitive. Compare it to any prog piece of the same length and you'll find that most of the prog songs vary much more, some even having more than one melody. Not here. Don't let the eight minutes fool you.
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Arrrghus
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 20:22 |
Stairway to Heaven is not prog. Like said before, it's a standard song, just extra long. It's like saying American Pie by Don McLean is prog.
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 20:31 |
I disagree anyway, don't forget prog isn't just symphonic prog, and an epic song doesn't have to have many changes, because if I use your logic neither Can nor Neu! should be on the archives. What makes prog isn't the changes in a song but was a movement that started in the late 19600s with musicians who had the desire to break ground by fusing different music styles together to create something utterly unique. Led Zep was one of them.
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Sasquamo
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 20:34 |
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There's a difference between progressive the adjective and progressive the genre. Led Zeppelin was progressive the adjective.
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 20:38 |
Sasquamo wrote:
There's a difference between progressive the adjective and progressive the genre. Led Zeppelin was progressive the adjective. |
No Ray Chales and Duke Ellington and the likes are the adjective.
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Arrrghus
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 20:38 |
Cheesecakemouse wrote:
Arrrghus wrote:
Cheesecakemouse wrote:
Arrrghus wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I'm actually quite happy with how the poll turned out ... I just wanted to see whether some people agree that while Led Zeppelin is not a prog band, the songs on LZ IV exhibit many prog characteristics.[IMG]alt=" align=absMiddle smileys smile smiley4.gif Big>> |
Show them to me. I fail to find any. I think the album is a masterpiece, but I fail to see any progginess. |
Stairway to Heaven."' smileys smiley32.gif? forum www.progarchives.com http:> |
Stairway to Heaven is not prog. Like said before, it's a standard song, just extra long. It's like saying American Pie by Don McLean is prog. |
I disagree anyway, don't forget prog isn't just symphonic prog, and an epic song doesn't have to have many changes, because if I use your logic neither Can nor Neu! should be on the archives. What makes prog isn't the changes in a song but was a movement that started in the late 19600s with musicians who had the desire to break ground by fusing different music styles together to create something utterly unique. Led Zep was one of them. |
What? How did you deduce that Can and Neu! aren't prog by my logic? I guess I didn't add that Stairway to Heaven didn't break any ground. Halleluwah stretches the boundaries of music; Stairway the Heaven doesn't. It has a rather common stucture. It has verses, choruses, bridges, and a guitar solo. True, the song does change, but so does Life's Been Good by Joe Walsh.
Prog = progression. Stretches the boundaries of music.
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 20:39 |
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Zep's lyrics are fantasy like most prog bands, they certainly part of the movement
Edited by Cheesecakemouse - November 10 2006 at 20:41
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 20:43 |
was it prog related.. who knows?
it was influenced by prog.. then again... at that time.. coming out of England.. what the hell wasn't.
over my dead body, or many others first before I fall  , do they get in here hahahhaha. 
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Arrrghus
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Posted: November 10 2006 at 20:51 |
micky wrote:
was it prog related.. who knows?
it was influenced by prog.. then again... at that time.. coming out of England.. what the hell wasn't.
over my dead body, or many others first before I fall , do they get in here hahahhaha.
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I'd fight along side you.
I love the Zep, but they shouldn't be in here.
They do have progressive elements in later albums, but not enough to be considered prog related (well, Presence has a lot of prog in it).
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