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I'll pipe in that 13th Star is an excellent Fish solo album, but I am not really qualified to compare it to Misplaced Childhood.
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Has anyone continued listening to L=M ?  Originally, I thought it was a bit underdeveloped and lacked the tension/drama we normally associate with the band. I gave it a spin early this morning and quite enjoyed it though....perhaps it's more of a Sunday morning disk ?   Some of the songs still seem a  bit short and interrupted, but overall it's certainly not a bad performance.
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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

I think they could have made another great album, certainly a better one than CAS, if they had a nice long break in there to chill.  But it worked out fine.  M2 turned out to be a great band too. 

Side question.  Are there any Fish solo albums that are as good as MC?   Or almost as good?


I will agree with Scott and name 13th Star, the last offering. It is by far and away his most satisfying solo work and contains tracks of pure beauty, both commercial and non commercial, in much the same way that Misplaced Childhood did.

I would not, though, compare it as either better or not. MC is, to me, an almost unique album and any comparisons are rather unfair in much the same way as later Yes albums to (say) CTTE or Relayer.

I would, whilst we are talking about the big fella, also recommend Raingods with Zippos. Any prog fan who does not weep and shake with excitement at the epic last track is simply deadWink
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Originally posted by Progfan1958 Progfan1958 wrote:

Has anyone continued listening to L=M ?  Originally, I thought it was a bit underdeveloped and lacked the tension/drama we normally associate with the band. I gave it a spin early this morning and quite enjoyed it though....perhaps it's more of a Sunday morning disk ?   Some of the songs still seem a  bit short and interrupted, but overall it's certainly not a bad performance.


The more I listen, the more I appreciate it. I think it contains excellent reinterpretations of their (mostly) more obscure work.
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

I think they could have made another great album, certainly a better one than CAS, if they had a nice long break in there to chill.  But it worked out fine.  M2 turned out to be a great band too. 

Side question.  Are there any Fish solo albums that are as good as MC?   Or almost as good?


I will agree with Scott and name 13th Star, the last offering. It is by far and away his most satisfying solo work and contains tracks of pure beauty, both commercial and non commercial, in much the same way that Misplaced Childhood did.

I would not, though, compare it as either better or not. MC is, to me, an almost unique album and any comparisons are rather unfair in much the same way as later Yes albums to (say) CTTE or Relayer.

I would, whilst we are talking about the big fella, also recommend Raingods with Zippos. Any prog fan who does not weep and shake with excitement at the epic last track is simply deadWink
I will second my enjoyment of Raingods With Zippos.  If I am not mistaken there is a gentleman by the name of Steve Wilson who appears on this album.  However, I do not know if it is THE Steve Wilson, or another Steve Wilson. LOL  Confirmed:  It is THE Steve Wilson on the song Faith Healer.

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Well, I just took my crack at reviewing MC last night, in case anyone wants to check out my rare 5 star gush.  Obviously it's a special album for me.  Embarrassed
 
 
And thanks for the Fish picks.  I may indeed try that album. 


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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Progfan1958 Progfan1958 wrote:

Has anyone continued listening to L=M ?  Originally, I thought it was a bit underdeveloped and lacked the tension/drama we normally associate with the band. I gave it a spin early this morning and quite enjoyed it though....perhaps it's more of a Sunday morning disk ?   Some of the songs still seem a  bit short and interrupted, but overall it's certainly not a bad performance.


The more I listen, the more I appreciate it. I think it contains excellent reinterpretations of their (mostly) more obscure work.

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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

I think they could have made another great album, certainly a better one than CAS, if they had a nice long break in there to chill.  But it worked out fine.  M2 turned out to be a great band too. 

Side question.  Are there any Fish solo albums that are as good as MC?   Or almost as good?


I will agree with Scott and name 13th Star, the last offering. It is by far and away his most satisfying solo work and contains tracks of pure beauty, both commercial and non commercial, in much the same way that Misplaced Childhood did.

I would not, though, compare it as either better or not. MC is, to me, an almost unique album and any comparisons are rather unfair in much the same way as later Yes albums to (say) CTTE or Relayer.

I would, whilst we are talking about the big fella, also recommend Raingods with Zippos. Any prog fan who does not weep and shake with excitement at the epic last track is simply deadWink

Agreed, too - also, there are the great - and rather obvious - Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors and Sunsets on Empires. + You should take a look at Field of Crows, which was planned to be a concept album, but, whilst the record was in the making, due to the fact that, as Fish put it in an interview, it was very creepy and therefore too dangerous, it was easily misunderstood, the concept was left behind and only songs like "Moving Targets" are a reminder to it. Here's what the big guy says about "Moving Targets":

It has become one of the bands favourites. Originally the “Field of crows” album was going to be a conceptual album about a kid that was living in the woods and brought up by a hunter. His only contact with the world is through a TV set. It’s about how he watches things in the way the news media betray of what is going on. And he decides when the hunter dies, he should go into the city. And he does that and starts shooting on people. It’s about how he became an assassin like that. He gets trapped and he eventually killed himself and that was going to be the concept of the album. “Moving targets” was about the first time that he was in the city. Everyone he meets becomes a target. It’s very creepy.  It was a very creepy concept and therefore it was too dangerous to do it. As an album concept it would have been very easy to get misunderstood. It could have been seen as promoting that kind of behaviour. Initially it was a film script, it wasn’t even an album. So we let it go…. “moving targets” is what’s left of that concept.

Clap Field of Crows is a real beauty too! It's too bad that they've never made that concept albumShocked


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Originally posted by Basíleia Basíleia wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

I think they could have made another great album, certainly a better one than CAS, if they had a nice long break in there to chill.  But it worked out fine.  M2 turned out to be a great band too. 

Side question.  Are there any Fish solo albums that are as good as MC?   Or almost as good?


I will agree with Scott and name 13th Star, the last offering. It is by far and away his most satisfying solo work and contains tracks of pure beauty, both commercial and non commercial, in much the same way that Misplaced Childhood did.

I would not, though, compare it as either better or not. MC is, to me, an almost unique album and any comparisons are rather unfair in much the same way as later Yes albums to (say) CTTE or Relayer.

I would, whilst we are talking about the big fella, also recommend Raingods with Zippos. Any prog fan who does not weep and shake with excitement at the epic last track is simply deadWink

Agreed, too - also, there are the great - and rather obvious - Vigil in a Wilderness of Mirrors and Sunsets on Empires. + You should take a look at Field of Crows, which was planned to be a concept album, but, whilst the record was in the making, due to the fact that, as Fish put it in an interview, it was very creepy and therefore too dangerous, it was easily misunderstood, the concept was left behind and only songs like "Moving Targets" are a reminder to it. Here's what the big guy says about "Moving Targets":

It has become one of the bands favourites. Originally the “Field of crows” album was going to be a conceptual album about a kid that was living in the woods and brought up by a hunter. His only contact with the world is through a TV set. It’s about how he watches things in the way the news media betray of what is going on. And he decides when the hunter dies, he should go into the city. And he does that and starts shooting on people. It’s about how he became an assassin like that. He gets trapped and he eventually killed himself and that was going to be the concept of the album. “Moving targets” was about the first time that he was in the city. Everyone he meets becomes a target. It’s very creepy.  It was a very creepy concept and therefore it was too dangerous to do it. As an album concept it would have been very easy to get misunderstood. It could have been seen as promoting that kind of behaviour. Initially it was a film script, it wasn’t even an album. So we let it go…. “moving targets” is what’s left of that concept.

Clap Field of Crows is a real beauty too! It's too bad that they've never made that concept albumShocked


I do so agree with you about Field of Crows. On first listen, I loathed it, but I persevered, and I am really glad that I did. It's a mighty fine album and probably equal second in my affections of Fish behind 13th Star and Raingods.


Vigil I regard as being essentially a solo take on Marillion. I still think it's a good album, but really no more than a 3 star one, whilst the ones we have talked about are at least 4 stars. Same goes for Sunsets really. Actually, until Raingods I found his solo career to be somewhat disappointing. He has more than made up for that in recent times though.
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What a week! 2 days of man-flu. Stayed in bed Monday. Felt like hell, Tuesday. Jamming at the studio Wednesday after an interview with a newspaper from Cumbria about the "It Bites" gig with Pete on Friday. They wanted to know all about "Out of this World", Donald Campbell and how I came to cause the raising of the Bluebird and end up singing at the great man's funeral in Coniston on the day after 9/11. Brought it all back. Scary times.. Now it's Thursday and I'm off to Birmingham to the edit of the Port Zelande weekend 2009. I wanted to change a few shots with Tim Sidwell and check the sync here and there. Tonight I will lie flat. Mike Hunter's got the flu too. (..good name for a band that - I wonder if U2 have got the flu too..)

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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Latest e-web from the boys. I love the idea of prog idolClapBig smile

What a week! 2 days of man-flu. Stayed in bed Monday. Felt like hell, Tuesday. Jamming at the studio Wednesday after an interview with a newspaper from Cumbria about the "It Bites" gig with Pete on Friday. They wanted to know all about "Out of this World", Donald Campbell and how I came to cause the raising of the Bluebird and end up singing at the great man's funeral in Coniston on the day after 9/11. Brought it all back. Scary times.. Now it's Thursday and I'm off to Birmingham to the edit of the Port Zelande weekend 2009. I wanted to change a few shots with Tim Sidwell and check the sync here and there. Tonight I will lie flat. Mike Hunter's got the flu too. (..good name for a band that - I wonder if U2 have got the flu too..)

Oh.. and I'm starting to move house again.
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Had a good few days this week. Steve's H,R myself and Ian got into some strange jazz thing that we couldn't find an end to yesterday which was fun to play. We also had some guitar things going on as well.
I'm working from home today so I'll be noodling away playing with my new super duper Digitech pedal board and trying to find the ultimate bass line.
"Yeah I know, another one". I can only do so many a year.

Off to Cumbria weather permitting tomorrow to play at a charity gig with It Bites, for victims of the flooding that everyone has probably forgotten about. Unless of course you are one of the many whose lives were destroyed by it.

Have a good weekend people.
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Enjoyable jam in the studio yesterday with Pete, Steve R and Mr H...No idea if it was any good but we had a good laugh.

Today I will mainly be taking the dog for a walk and playing tennis tonight.

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Had an idea for a new tv show - "Prog Idol". You could have Rick Wakeman, Peter Gabriel and Dave Gilmour on the panel.

High marks for extended mini moog solos, anything in 7/8 and the use of a mellotron ;>)
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Yes, I read it just now, too. Great Idea, they really should launch it, though, I don't think there would be a big market for it, would it now?Tongue
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Yesterday I popped in "Clutching at Straws" for the first time in quite a while and, once again, was floored by how great that album is.  I guess most of you guys already know that but I just wanted to say it for the sake of those who may not have listened to it yet.  Wow.
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Yesterday I popped in "Clutching at Straws" for the first time in quite a while and, once again, was floored by how great that album is.  I guess most of you guys already know that but I just wanted to say it for the sake of those who may not have listened to it yet.  Wow.

Though I consider MC and Seasons End my fave albums, I do find myself listening to CAS more than any other Marillion disc ... hmm ... 
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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

I think they could have made another great album, certainly a better one than CAS, if they had a nice long break in there to chill.  But it worked out fine.  M2 turned out to be a great band too. 

Side question.  Are there any Fish solo albums that are as good as MC?   Or almost as good?


Maybe almost as good, but still a far cry. Vigil In The Wilderness Of Mirrors and 13th Star (his first and last solo albums, ironically) are my favorite. I was really impressed with his last disc.

People sort of bash it, but I like Fellini Dreams. Very solid CD.

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Has anyone continued listening to L=M ?  Originally, I thought it was a bit underdeveloped and lacked the tension/drama we normally associate with the band. I gave it a spin early this morning and quite enjoyed it though....perhaps it's more of a Sunday morning disk ?   Some of the songs still seem a  bit short and interrupted, but overall it's certainly not a bad performance.


Steve, I still can't get into it. Everybody is praising the redone version of "Interior Lulu", but it's a train wreck. There's no flow to it. It's like they've cut and pasted it together. "It's Not Your Fault" is very forgettable, too. Just very repetitive and lifeless.

I'll keep going to reach for it, but I'll just think to myself, "You know, I'm just not in the mood." I may re-visit it one day, but I just can't get into it right now.

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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

I think they could have made another great album, certainly a better one than CAS, if they had a nice long break in there to chill.  But it worked out fine.  M2 turned out to be a great band too. 

Side question.  Are there any Fish solo albums that are as good as MC?   Or almost as good?


I will agree with Scott and name 13th Star, the last offering. It is by far and away his most satisfying solo work and contains tracks of pure beauty, both commercial and non commercial, in much the same way that Misplaced Childhood did.

I would not, though, compare it as either better or not. MC is, to me, an almost unique album and any comparisons are rather unfair in much the same way as later Yes albums to (say) CTTE or Relayer.

I would, whilst we are talking about the big fella, also recommend Raingods with Zippos. Any prog fan who does not weep and shake with excitement at the epic last track is simply deadWink


Yeah, I forgot to mention this one. Very nice disc.

I admit to loving the song "Lady Let It Lie" from Suits. Very cool song.

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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

I think they could have made another great album, certainly a better one than CAS, if they had a nice long break in there to chill.  But it worked out fine.  M2 turned out to be a great band too. 

Side question.  Are there any Fish solo albums that are as good as MC?   Or almost as good?


Maybe almost as good, but still a far cry. Vigil In The Wilderness Of Mirrors and 13th Star (his first and last solo albums, ironically) are my favorite. I was really impressed with his last disc.

People sort of bash it, but I like Fellini Dreams. Very solid CD.

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Thanks Eric, I like that title Fellini Dreams.  Smile
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Looking for another stub for the first concert thread, which I didn't find, I came across this one....

Not their best show, but certainly memorable for me...Fish was one unhappy guy at this show.
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^^ Under $10 to see a Marillion show! One word: AWESOME!!!

I wanted to dial up Raingods With Zippos on iTunes this morning at the office, but I don't have it here for some odd reason. So, I brought up Vigil In The Wildnerness Of Mirrors. Really is a great disc. A sucker for "A Gentlemen's Excuse Me". Very beautiful song. Could be amongst his most emotive (along with "Sugar Mice" and "Arc Of A Curve").

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I still really need to get some of Fish's solo stuff; I'm thinking of getting Vigil and Sunsets On Empire soon, I've really liked the samples I've heard from those two. Any recommendations for me fellas?
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