"Occupy" Protests

TheMasterMofo wrote: Eh, there's not something wrong if the people deserve being trashed. I'm not following any of the specific stories with all this occupation BS, so if the people were TRULY innocent of all wrong doing then yeah, the police were wrong. I don't really care though because from what I've heard, "occupiers" have thrown stuff not only at buildings, but at police, too. I don't know about you, but if people threw crap at me, I'd probably pepper spray them, too. Unfortunately the only pepper spray I carry is actually not spray at all, but is instead a 9mm.

Speaks volumes to me.

By the way, you need some of that industrial grade pepper spray, that and a taser a taser.

Also take your pick of cool weapons from Bud K.
Knives - Buy Knives, Bowie Knives, Fixed Blade Knives and Folding ...



Edited by Slartibartfast - November 21 2011 at 19:43

Slartibartfast wrote: Epignosis wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: When you get more bothered about people trashing property than people being trashed by police there is something seriously wrong here. If someone came into my house and trashed it and the police showed up and trashed him, I am more bothered by the former than by the latter. What if people were just sitting out on your lawn and the police came by and pepper sprayed them?  Sure they were messing up your lawn... Which would bother you more then? By the way, I in know way endorse everything the protestors have done.

If the owner told the people to get off of his lawn and they didn't go, then the police could do whatever they needed to get the people off of someone else's property. Even Paul Gilbert backs me up on this one:

Slartibartfast wrote: Speaks volumes to me. By the way, you need some of that industrial grade pepper spray, that and a taser a taser. Also take your pick of cool weapons from Bud K. Knives - Buy Knives, Bowie Knives, Fixed Blade Knives and Folding ...

I didn't follow the tea party BS, either. I pretty much don't follow any mass protests because in most cases the protests are fueled by political parties, corporations, or even other countries. If people want to make a difference, they ought to go out on their own and MAKE a difference and encourage others to do the same. Camping in the middle of a major city is not going to change the world like actually DOING something will.

Also, I actually wouldn't mind a taser, but I think I'd much rather prefer this:
http://www.wickedlasers.com/lasers/S3_Krypton_Series-113-63.html

Slartibartfast wrote: Uhhh, doesn't look like it can actually burn holes in things, pass.

It can, it just takes a second. I'm sure if we gave them to the police they'd find a productive way to use them on Occupy protestors!

Slartibartfast wrote: TheMasterMofo wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: Uhhh, doesn't look like it can actually burn holes in things, pass. It can, it just takes a second. I'm sure if we gave them to the police they'd find a productive way to use them on Occupy protestors! How about sound cannons? G20 PROTEST AND MARTIAL LAW, Police use sound CANNONS Almost sounds like a prog weapon.  Curved Air did Vivaldi with cannons.

That actually looks pretty cool... The g20 protestors were DEFINITELY violent and brought it on themselves. To be fair, America was a lot better than Europe, where they were exercising complete anarchy in their protests.

Honestly if they wanted everyone to leave, they could invite Metallica and Lou Reed to perform LuLu in its entirety live. People would be apologizing to bankers and running home in no time!

Epignosis wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: Epignosis wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: When you get more bothered about people trashing property than people being trashed by police there is something seriously wrong here. If someone came into my house and trashed it and the police showed up and trashed him, I am more bothered by the former than by the latter. What if people were just sitting out on your lawn and the police came by and pepper sprayed them?  Sure they were messing up your lawn... Which would bother you more then? By the way, I in know way endorse everything the protestors have done.  I wouldn't wait for the police.

If you aren't joking, that is truly disturbing. 

The Doctor wrote: Epignosis wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: Epignosis wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: When you get more bothered about people trashing property than people being trashed by police there is something seriously wrong here. If someone came into my house and trashed it and the police showed up and trashed him, I am more bothered by the former than by the latter. What if people were just sitting out on your lawn and the police came by and pepper sprayed them?  Sure they were messing up your lawn...Which would bother you more then?By the way, I in know way endorse everything the protestors have done.  I wouldn't wait for the police.  If you aren't joking, that is truly disturbing.

Why??

The Doctor wrote: The T wrote: The Doctor wrote: Epignosis wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: Epignosis wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: When you get more bothered about people trashing property than people being trashed by police there is something seriously wrong here. If someone came into my house and trashed it and the police showed up and trashed him, I am more bothered by the former than by the latter. What if people were just sitting out on your lawn and the police came by and pepper sprayed them?  Sure they were messing up your lawn...Which would bother you more then?By the way, I in know way endorse everything the protestors have done.  I wouldn't wait for the police.  If you aren't joking, that is truly disturbing.  Why?? Because I do not believe in taking the law into your own hands.  And yes, I do realize that I'm talking to a bunch of libertarians who believe in exactly that.  Trespassers should be asked to leave (if they pose no threat of danger to the people on the property).  If the people refuse, the police should be called and handled by them (peacefully, of course).  This isn't the old freaking west.  At least not yet, and I don't want to live in the old west.  I like civilization.

Unfortunately, sometimes the law isn't always there for you, but that doesn't in anyway relieve you of the responsibility of not going overboard in your response.


Edited by Slartibartfast - November 21 2011 at 20:24

Slartibartfast wrote: The Doctor wrote: The T wrote: The Doctor wrote: Epignosis wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: Epignosis wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: When you get more bothered about people trashing property than people being trashed by police there is something seriously wrong here. If someone came into my house and trashed it and the police showed up and trashed him, I am more bothered by the former than by the latter. What if people were just sitting out on your lawn and the police came by and pepper sprayed them?  Sure they were messing up your lawn...Which would bother you more then?By the way, I in know way endorse everything the protestors have done.  I wouldn't wait for the police.  If you aren't joking, that is truly disturbing.  Why?? Because I do not believe in taking the law into your own hands.  And yes, I do realize that I'm talking to a bunch of libertarians who believe in exactly that.  Trespassers should be asked to leave (if they pose no threat of danger to the people on the property).  If the people refuse, the police should be called and handled by them (peacefully, of course).  This isn't the old freaking west.  At least not yet, and I don't want to live in the old west.  I like civilization. Unfortunately, sometimes the law isn't always there for you, but that doesn't in anyway relieve you of the responsibility of not going overboard in your response.

Like in the case of the protesters, which is why I would have no problem with them taking the law into their own hands if that's what they wanted to do.  However, in Robert's case, a call for trespassers on his property (peaceful trespassers) would be responded to and dealt with by the police and should be left for them to deal with.

Slartibartfast wrote: The Doctor wrote: The T wrote: The Doctor wrote: Epignosis wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: Epignosis wrote: Slartibartfast wrote: When you get more bothered about people trashing property than people being trashed by police there is something seriously wrong here. If someone came into my house and trashed it and the police showed up and trashed him, I am more bothered by the former than by the latter. What if people were just sitting out on your lawn and the police came by and pepper sprayed them?  Sure they were messing up your lawn...Which would bother you more then?By the way, I in know way endorse everything the protestors have done.  I wouldn't wait for the police.  If you aren't joking, that is truly disturbing.  Why?? Because I do not believe in taking the law into your own hands.  And yes, I do realize that I'm talking to a bunch of libertarians who believe in exactly that.  Trespassers should be asked to leave (if they pose no threat of danger to the people on the property).  If the people refuse, the police should be called and handled by them (peacefully, of course).  This isn't the old freaking west.  At least not yet, and I don't want to live in the old west.  I like civilization. Unfortunately, sometimes the law isn't always there for you, but that doesn't in anyway relieve you of the responsibility of not going overboard in your response.

Try doing some research on the old west beyond western movies...

Anyway, I believe an armed society can be a civilized. Just check Switzerland.

TheMasterMofo wrote: The Doctor wrote: Because I do not believe in taking the law into your own hands.  And yes, I do realize that I'm talking to a bunch of libertarians who believe in exactly that.  Trespassers should be asked to leave (if they pose no threat of danger to the people on the property).  If the people refuse, the police should be called and handled by them (peacefully, of course).  This isn't the old freaking west.  At least not yet, and I don't want to live in the old west.  I like civilization. If someone starts to beat you up are you going to sit there and take it until the police get there?Better yet, if you're married would you sit down and watch someone assault your wife and do nothing? If you're not married, substitute "wife" with "sister", "mother", "friend", etc.There are times when you HAVE to take the law into your own hand.

Of course. But I guess some people really want omnipresent police. With all that it implies.