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UMUR
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3071 |
Posted: December 10 2008 at 02:26 |
You donīt think they are just a bit too Meshuggah/ SYL influenced ? I enjoy Gojira as well though, just think they wear their influences on their sleeves.
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DavetheSlave
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2007 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 492 |
Posted: December 10 2008 at 02:33 |
Just got hold of Dichotomy - Becoming the Archetype. Trying to get into it!!!! Getting Blackwater Park - Opeth in about an hour.
Please forgive me for this one, I know it's probably a very stupid, especially now - didn't korn have any influence on a lot of thes genre??? I can't help seeing some similarities in Dichotomy although Dichotomy are heavier.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
Posted: December 10 2008 at 02:40 |
Not really, no. Gojira sounds a lot different to Meshuggah and SYL to my ears and I'm saying this as someone who has heard quite a lot of music from all 3 bands. |
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Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
Posted: December 10 2008 at 02:43 |
No. Seriously, you musn't have heard much extreme metal at all if you came to a conclusion like that. They have a noticeable metalcore sound in their music, but that's not the same as being influenced by nu metal. Seriously, go listen to some more music before coming up with this weird assumptions (I don't mean to say that to be harsh, more in terms of hearing more to expand your horizons more and doing some research on the history of metal). |
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DavetheSlave
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2007 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 492 |
Posted: December 10 2008 at 02:56 |
Hi HughesJB4 - strangely I am liking Dichotomy - your opinion??
I was always a metal fan - two of my favorites from my teen years and later were Judas Priest and Iron Maiden. Have heard and owned a great deal of Metal - the likes of Anthrax, Poison, Wasp, Dio, Iron Maiden, Priest, Q5 - when I first heard Korn it was the heaviest thing that I'd ever heard and the vocals were very different. I can't call Korn Nu Metal personally.
You though, and your collaborators here know what you are talking about and I'm not about to profess any expertise in this genre area.
Never went the Extreme route but am trying it out now.
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DavetheSlave
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2007 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 492 |
Posted: December 10 2008 at 06:21 |
Thanks guys - Ghost Reveries is very good - glad I stuck with it and that some of you guys stuck with me.
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DavetheSlave
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2007 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 492 |
Posted: December 10 2008 at 07:52 |
Gotten hold of Watershed, Ghost Reveries and Blackwater Park. I couldn't have been more wrong about Opeth. You guys must be proud of me!! LOL. I'll probably battle with the more extreme forms but it's a start. Got hold of the above albums today as well as the latest Karmakanic which isn't part of this thread's genre but looking forward to listining to it all the same. |
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Plankowner
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 09 2008 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 4006 |
Posted: December 10 2008 at 09:41 |
Nope. Most are influenced by the Death, thrash metal acts from the 80s and early 90s. With the usual staples Deep Purple, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, and Black Sabbath.
Glad you like Opeth.
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DavetheSlave
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2007 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 492 |
Posted: December 10 2008 at 09:48 |
Hi Plankowner - I listened to and enjoyed Opeth after trying now maybe I should ask you to go back and listen to Issues and Follow the Leader by Korn with an open mind. Listen to Issues and the very complex lyrical content. Sure I can't call them extreme Metal but their is a lot far deeper there than with the typical Metal Bands of the day - even today!
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Plankowner
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 09 2008 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 4006 |
Posted: December 10 2008 at 09:51 |
Yo, I'm not listening to Korn ever again. Thanks.
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DavetheSlave
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 23 2007 Location: South Africa Status: Offline Points: 492 |
Posted: December 10 2008 at 09:53 |
Hey - be open minded!!!! I was and maybe I've found a new favorite to listen to!!!
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keiser willhelm
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 14 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1697 |
Posted: December 10 2008 at 10:53 |
ha ha i like korn still
havent listened to them in ages but i might again. used to be all about them. follow the leader and their debut are actually quite strong for the new metal scene. and influential. i saw them live too and they put on a very good show, regardless of how you feel about them as musicians. but no, not a whole lot of influence on the progressive scene glad you liked opeth as well, somewhat of a surprise. if you let them sink in they'll broaden a lot of your horizons. so far you seem to have listened to mostly 80's influenced metal. the genre is SOOOO broad that this is now only a small part. you have a foot in the door. enjoy the rest of the ride |
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Plankowner
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 09 2008 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 4006 |
Posted: December 10 2008 at 18:03 |
I have all the Korn cds except the last one, seen them live on their first tour I think back in 95? Maybe it was 96? Whenever they toured with Manson... Haven't been in the mood to listen to them for quite sometime. I do still listen to some nu metal stuff, like Dry Kill Logic, No One, Nonpoint, Primer 55, Systematic, SoiL, Spineshank, etc... So I'm not against it..
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JayDee
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: September 07 2005 Location: Elysian Fields Status: Offline Points: 10063 |
Posted: December 10 2008 at 18:26 |
Yeah, I think Dry Kill Logic is alright in small doses.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
Posted: December 10 2008 at 18:26 |
Korn are pretty heavy, yes (well okay, so their first album was anyway........can't say the same for some of their later stuff). But yeah, Poison, Wasp, and bands of that ilk, are pretty far removed from extreme metal (and some people wouldn't even call Poison and W.A.S.P metal bands at all). Korn is Nu-Metal. They practically defined the genre. There is no escaping that. I find it pretty hard to stomach that idea that people say "I don't think of Korn as nu metal" when they defined the genre and musically, they have every trait of a band that is considered nu metal. |
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Plankowner
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 09 2008 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 4006 |
Posted: December 12 2008 at 00:27 |
I crave the track "Rot" by them every now and then...
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Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
Posted: December 17 2008 at 03:32 |
I admit to liking 2 Korn songs.
And Slaver, if someone has already heard something, but chooses not to hear it anymore, that doesn't make them close minded. Choosing not to hear it in the first place, and having preconceived notions/making judgements on the band/album/genre is what makes someone open minded. But anyway, this thread needed a bump anyway, since this thread is too awesomely metal to slip back beyond the first page of the appreciation section. And has The Number Twelve Looks Like You been mentioned more than once in this thread? I know JayDee, Planky, Sebastian and I know them, but I shall throw them in the ring of suggestions for anyone looking for some cool progressive technical metalcore and was definitely one cool addition made by Seb. |
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Atavachron
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65473 |
Posted: December 17 2008 at 03:48 |
thanks Hare, I was just thinking about some new stuff.. sounds interesting, pretty extreme
http://www.myspace.com/tntllu |
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keiser willhelm
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 14 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1697 |
Posted: December 17 2008 at 03:49 |
def liking the number twelve looks like you, but if i want math/metal/tech - core i look no further than dillinger escape plan. beyond them i really dont crave anymore from the genre.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
Posted: December 17 2008 at 03:59 |
The Dillinger Escape Plan is pure awesome all the way.
When I first got a hold of Ire Works, I listened to it about 4 times the first day I got it. I need to hear more on the metal/math/tech/core-ish stuff though, before I truly make up my mind on it. |
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