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JJLehto 
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 Posted: September 02 2012 at 08:53 |
Well, Alonso still leads by an alright amount and most amazing of all...that podium speech from Kimi was surprisingly un painful! Dare I say there were even detectable amounts of life?? 
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Posted: September 02 2012 at 09:28 |
Jenson to Kimi: "Good fight with Michael?" "Pfffffffffft, we've got no speed."  I'd say Alonso's luck still held as that could have been a far more serious accident. Grosjean needs a real talking to, he's very fast and a good race but he keeps running into people at the start. Obvious jump start from Maldonado, the irony is that if he'd had a normal one he might have been able to avoid the carnage at La Source instead of being turned around by Perez's broken car. Great race all round, I think Vettel has now proved beyond a doubt that he can race wheel to wheel to with cars going just as fast, something that he hasnt been too good at in the past. Amazing drive by Hulkenberg, who would have thought a Force India would have been fighting with Ferrari, Lotus and Red Bull?
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Posted: September 02 2012 at 11:23 |
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Grosjean has been handed a one race ban.
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JJLehto
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Posted: September 02 2012 at 11:29 |
Well that is true, poor race luck but certainly good not dying luck. Despite what I assumed at first, Force India has been a pretty solid team over its career. This year is just nuts though, with so many point contending teams and the tops not that far ahead! We've seen from McLaren and RBR they are prone to random poor races. Ferrari seems to have gotten itself on track but I'm sure they are no clear frontrunner. Just been epic.
 sleeper wrote:
Grosjean needs a real talking to, he's very fast and a good race but he keeps running into people at the start.
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Grosjean has been handed a one race ban. |
Well there ya go.
Edited by JJLehto - September 02 2012 at 11:30
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Posted: September 02 2012 at 11:57 |
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Snowie beat me to it, Grosjean gets a 1 race ban and a 50 000 euro fine. Maldonado gets a 5 place penalty for jumping the start and a 5 place penalty for running into Glock on the restart (TV cameras didnt show it but I was wondering how he'd lost the front wing to put him out).
Jerome D'Ambrosio is Lotus test driver, but I'd put Algersuari in the car for Monza as he's the Pirelli test driver and more likely to be match fit than Jerome as he's actually driven an F1 car this year.
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JJLehto
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Posted: September 02 2012 at 12:48 |
Nice, since I'm totally neutral on both I go to my "who has a cooler name?" but both are pretty sweet so I don't care Rough one for Pastor but while he has proven to have some good speed he's another that needs to quit being so stupid.
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Posted: September 02 2012 at 13:23 |
I'm going to defend Grosjean here, I think he really thought he was ahead of Lewis, we have 1st turn incidents in many races and the drivers causing them do not usually get penalties or at least not so severe ones.
For sure it was a shame as it took off the race some of the top drivers but I'd say that this is racing and no different from many other 1st turn accidents.
Maldonado is something else though...
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Posted: September 02 2012 at 13:27 |
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^I think you are totally wrong. Whatever he thought, he was in the wrong place. A totally justifiable punishment.
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Posted: September 02 2012 at 14:06 |
Sure enough he was in the wrong place, but if the same had happened in the mid / back of the field, let's say a Toro Rosso clipping a Caterham and kicking out of the race Senna, Pic, Petrov and De La Rosa, nobody would have cared about it.
Of course I understand that those fighting with championship contenders must be extra careful but even so I think that the penalty is a bit too harsh.
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Posted: September 02 2012 at 15:07 |
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^I have to disagree, there's a difference between knocking off a wing through slight misjudgement and showing such a complete lack of awareness as to who's around you so that you push someone off the track and cause a massive accident. Which end of the field doesnt factor into it, if any thing history shows that the backmarkers are more likely to get penalised than the front runners.
EDIT: And it seems that he's accepting responsabiltiy for the crash as well now. Wish Maldonado would take that attitude.
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JJLehto
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Posted: September 02 2012 at 17:24 |
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Yeah Grosjean really copped out at first.
It was 100% Grosjean's doing but I actually didn't think it was that grave or blatant. Thought the punishment was a bit much but what can ya do?
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Posted: September 02 2012 at 18:53 |
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Definitely not blatent but a bad mistake all the same. I think he was in the same sort of position as Maldonado, he's made several similar mistakes so he's going to get punished for it. This one just happened to be a far more serious mistake so the punishement was quite strong.
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Posted: September 02 2012 at 18:55 |
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Also, Hunter-Reay wins again setting up a title showdown with Will Power at the Fontana Speedway final. I havent seen an Indy style race on a 2 mile oval since the slipstreamer epics of the CART days, should be interesting to see how the new car goes.
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Posted: September 05 2012 at 03:24 |
Unfortunately missed the race at spa, and seems I missed a fairly crazy one. At least Monza is soon.
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Posted: September 05 2012 at 06:16 |
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^You certainly did. Lotus have confirmed that Jerome d'Ambrosio will replace Grosjean this weekend. I also predict that Maldonado will pick up a ban for Singapore for doing domething stupid, again. That boy just doesnt learn.
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Posted: September 07 2012 at 05:46 |
Practice times from Monza. Pos Driver Car Time Gap Laps
1. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m25.422s 26
2. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m25.723s + 0.301s 29
3. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m25.762s + 0.340s 26
4. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m25.800s + 0.378s 22
5. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m25.861s + 0.439s 27
6. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m25.944s + 0.522s 30
7. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m26.046s + 0.624s 25
8. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m26.323s + 0.901s 26
9. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m26.390s + 0.968s 24
10. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m26.504s + 1.082s 19
11. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m26.508s + 1.086s 18
12. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m26.518s + 1.096s 21
13. Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 1m26.641s + 1.219s 26
14. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m26.746s + 1.324s 23
15. Jerome d'Ambrosio Lotus-Renault 1m27.180s + 1.758s 29
16. Jules Bianchi Force India-Mercedes 1m27.192s + 1.770s 22
17. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m27.373s + 1.951s 25
18. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m27.789s + 2.367s 24
19. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m27.855s + 2.433s 27
20. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m28.578s + 3.156s 20
21. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m28.751s + 3.329s 26
22. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m29.207s + 3.785s 21
23. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m29.331s + 3.909s 21
24. Ma Qing Hua HRT-Cosworth 1m31.239s + 5.817s 26
Forgot to mention earlier in the week, congratulations to Alex Zanardi who won gold in the paralymipcs in the hand cycling time trial at Brands Hatch,
he's also going for gold today in the road race and tomorrow in the relay.
Also just found out that Robert Kubica intends to return to competition tomorrow on a rally in Italy in a Subaru Impreza WRC.
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Posted: September 07 2012 at 09:47 |
Afternoon times, worryingly Alonso's time was set on the harder tyres. Pos Driver Car Time Gap Laps
1. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m25.290s 32
2. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m25.328s + 0.038s 35
3. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m25.348s + 0.058s 17
4. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m25.430s + 0.140s 43
5. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m25.446s + 0.156s 41
6. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m25.504s + 0.214s 42
7. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m25.546s + 0.256s 40
8. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m25.547s + 0.257s 36
9. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m26.068s + 0.778s 32
10. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m26.094s + 0.804s 38
11. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m26.104s + 0.814s 35
12. Jerome d'Ambrosio Lotus-Renault 1m26.157s + 0.867s 36
13. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m26.394s + 1.104s 31
14. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m26.404s + 1.114s 42
15. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m26.724s + 1.434s 33
16. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m26.730s + 1.440s 17
17. Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1m26.783s + 1.493s 39
18. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m26.841s + 1.551s 39
19. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m26.864s + 1.574s 36
20. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m27.222s + 1.932s 36
21. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m27.944s + 2.654s 36
22. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m27.968s + 2.678s 36
23. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m28.575s + 3.285s 34
24. Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1m28.779s + 3.489s 21
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JJLehto
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Posted: September 07 2012 at 22:54 |
sleeper wrote:
Also, Hunter-Reay wins again setting up a title showdown with Will Power at the Fontana Speedway final. I havent seen an Indy style race on a 2 mile oval since the slipstreamer epics of the CART days, should be interesting to see how the new car goes.
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That is sufficiently awesome. Either way I'd be supremely satisfied: It'd be great to see Power get a title, but Hunter-Reay would awesome and would be sweet to see an American win Indy.
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JJLehto
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Posted: September 07 2012 at 22:57 |
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It may just be the semi wanna be Tifosi in me, but I expect Ferrari to do well at Monza.
Sounds like a good practice for Alonso and Massa but we know that doesn't exactly mean much.
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Posted: September 08 2012 at 04:52 |
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^Of more concern was that Alonso had an engine failure in first practice (not a big surprise, they use engines that have allready raced and are at the end of their life for practice sessions, and Monza is a hard track for engines) and then a gearbox failure in the afternoon (we'll see if he gets a penalty on that one).
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