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Posted: December 11 2011 at 16:12
^After watching that, it makes me feel even more depressed to konw that Ron Paul will not win the primaries. His closing remarks (after Perry's and Romney's) tell the whole story that Americans are just too deaf to hear...
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Posted: December 12 2011 at 20:06
Switching threads Pat since this doesn't affect Occupy.
What do you think of the American taxpayer being on the line for decisions made at the climate talks? I've heard some of that could be legally binding and eventually requires big sums going from us to countries damaged by us, in their view. I was more interested in your thoughts about world governance....you are so worried about executive power, I'm wondering what you think about the possibility of world governance trumping our autonomy at some point in the future..
Switching threads Pat since this doesn't affect Occupy.
What do you think of the American taxpayer being on the line for decisions made at the climate talks? I've heard some of that could be legally binding and eventually requires big sums going from us to countries damaged by us, in their view. I was more interested in your thoughts about world governance....you are so worried about executive power, I'm wondering what you think about the possibility of world governance trumping our autonomy at some point in the future..
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Posted: December 12 2011 at 20:24
I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but some parts of the One World Order stuff have a very solid grounding. These world government organizations terrify me. They're completely uncontrollable. They don't represent anybody.
Why would Americans follow the decisions made in these areas? I don't understand it.
It sickens me. Any tax does, but this especially.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Posted: December 12 2011 at 20:51
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
He hates it, doesn't he precious?
You know, some people think Tolkein was talking a bit about government in LoTR. HE"S ONE OF US.
Gotta read a bio on Tolkien, I've always been interested in his life. Still struggling to finish this Cheney book.....I get distracted from it quite easily for other stuff.....
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Posted: December 13 2011 at 15:49
It will be most interesting to see how people dismiss Paul's candidacy if he wins in Iowa. They will find some illogical way to do so.
I try to refrain from being a conspiracy theorist, but does anyone believe that Ron will be allowed to live if he were to win the presidency? It just seems like too much to be lost by people.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Posted: December 13 2011 at 15:49
Finnforest wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
He hates it, doesn't he precious?
You know, some people think Tolkein was talking a bit about government in LoTR. HE"S ONE OF US.
Gotta read a bio on Tolkien, I've always been interested in his life. Still struggling to finish this Cheney book.....I get distracted from it quite easily for other stuff.....
I wish his life was a bit more interesting, but it's still worth a read if you pick up one/.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Posted: December 13 2011 at 16:25
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
It will be most interesting to see how people dismiss Paul's candidacy if he wins in Iowa. They will find some illogical way to do so. I try to refrain from being a conspiracy theorist, but does anyone believe that Ron will be allowed to live if he were to win the presidency? It just seems like too much to be lost by people.
Maybe they wouldn't kill him (though that's far from being typical conspiracy lunacy?, but both parties would finally find that holy grail that "bipartisanship" is supposed to be in blocking absolutely everything Paul would try to do. EDIT: Or, more properly said, UN-do.
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Posted: December 13 2011 at 17:21
^Which leads me to this question to those better acquainted with the US system. Can a president really de-regulate and de-criminalize and de-anything without support from congress?
I should point out that even if the federal government said that marijuana was legal (for instance), individual states can still say "No weed for you."
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Posted: December 13 2011 at 17:42
Epignosis wrote:
I should point out that even if the federal government said that marijuana was legal (for instance), individual states can still say "No weed for you."
Well I think that depends more or less on the language in the bill. If the federal government said basically weed for all adult citizens no exceptions, then I am pretty sure states won't have the power to override that.
Although if it was fairly ambiguous (which if it ever happens, it is likely to be), then I think quite a few southern states would take that chance and probably get away with it.
I should point out that even if the federal government said that marijuana was legal (for instance), individual states can still say "No weed for you."
Well I think that depends more or less on the language in the bill. If the federal government said basically weed for all adult citizens no exceptions, then I am pretty sure states won't have the power to override that.
Although if it was fairly ambiguous (which if it ever happens, it is likely to be), then I think quite a few southern states would take that chance and probably get away with it.
Under our Constitution, states have the right to form such laws.
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