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Slartibartfast 
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Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
 Posted: January 09 2011 at 20:27 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Online Points: 20403 |
Posted: January 10 2011 at 05:06 |
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that was only meant as a joke... I could've said I gained two pounds just from watching that recipe
Well I read exactly the opposite in the science page of my newspaper some three months ago....Sugar is not the main weight-increaser for the body >> it's abuse is still problematic for the health; but it doesn't intervene that much on kilos and pounds...
I'm trying to cut on sugary things (except chocolate), coz I don't really have a sweety tooth... I still consume a fair amount of it, because I'm a big tea drinker (I've estimated it at 8kg of refined sugar/year just for my infusions >> it seems enormous, but considering the number of liters of tea... coz I don't sweeten my teas so much >>> less than a cube per cup)
I've tried swtching to sugar cane, though but you don't find it everywhere other than in cubes
One of the things I've almost successfully eliminated are chips (but still fall into the trap is seved, but I don't buy them anymore... except when there are novelties susceptible to please me.... then I MUST try it, hoping I will hate it) and I can spend days without meat...
BTW, I watched the start of that conference yesterday morning (Id say five mins).... didn't find much interesting or smile inducing
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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yanch
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Joined: January 03 2010 Location: Lowell, MA Status: Offline Points: 3247 |
Posted: January 10 2011 at 06:12 |
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At 51 I still weigh what I did in college. For me it's been quite simple, work out regularly-4-5 times a week for 30-40 minutes, vary the workouts, alternating aerobic activity with strength training, and I eat a balanced diet. By balanced I mean no over-doing any one thing. A normal day might be cereal with banana for breakfast, 2 apples for lunch(my one slightly obsessive behavior), and a normal dinner-meat, vegetable and a starch of some kind. I don't eat too many sweets, but do use sugar in coffee and tea. My weakness is pretzels and it is a concern. Too much salt is not good. That's my goal for this year, to cut down and minimize the salt intake.
I've always been a believer that a balanced, reasonable diet works better than any "fad" diet and for people who do need to lose weight, the slow steady approach-eating regular meals, but reducing the sweets and extra food-coupled with exercise, even just walking, is the best way to go.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: January 10 2011 at 06:49 |
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^ That's the case for many people - but some get fat on such a diet and even if they also exercise.
It should go without saying that when you have no weight problem, and your health markers are fine, by all means continue doing what you're doing, don't change a thing. This thread is about those of us who are not doing so great.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: January 10 2011 at 06:56 |
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Yup, it's called metabolim and it's unfairly distributed
 My girfriend can eat whatever she wants and it (fat and Kcals) won't hang onto her.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: January 10 2011 at 07:13 |
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^ the thing is that in some cases, changing macronutrient composition (e.g. less carbs, more fat) can have a positive influence on metabolism. And keep in mind that in the 1970s low-fat diets became the de-facto standard recommendation, and ever since obesity rates are increasing. People eat more carbs and get fatter ... correlation doesn't imply causation, but suggests a possible causation that needs to be tested. And indeed, some people thrive on Atkins-style diets.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: January 12 2011 at 10:42 |
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Just ran across this:
Some interesting studies!
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Epignosis
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Posted: January 12 2011 at 10:50 |
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Mike, my wife asked me to ask your opinion about the hcg diet.
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AllP0werToSlaves
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Posted: January 12 2011 at 11:05 |
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Fish oil, whole foods, vitamins and plenty of exercise daily keep me feeling great! Good thread
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stonebeard
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Posted: January 12 2011 at 16:04 |
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I'm starting to do some yoga at home. I can't really afford a gym membership and weights take up room. Plus back strength!
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Mr ProgFreak
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Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
Posted: January 13 2011 at 04:27 |
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Big red flag. " andRemember, if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. Weight loss is hard work and it won’t come in a potion, pill, or injection. The most “dangerous” thing you should be doing to your body is trying a new exercise that intimidates you like rock climbing or completing a marathon." Edited by Mr ProgFreak - January 13 2011 at 04:27 |
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Epignosis
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32552 |
Posted: January 13 2011 at 06:16 |
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I read all that already (in fact, the link you posted above is purple and I didn't even click on it  ).While we don't care what the FDA says, I've tried explaining these things to my wife. The problem is that at least three people she knows (including her mom and dad) have lost substantial weight on this diet (my mother-in-law is still on it and is now the same size as my wife, which makes her only more determined; my father-in-law had to stop the diet after the initial 23 days due to a health condition). Of course you're going to lose weight if you only eat 500 calories a day! The skeptic in me (yes, yes, believe it or not, I very much consider myself a skeptic  ) says that there is no magic bullet to weight loss, including hcg drops. The weight loss comes from eating 500 calories a day, which can be achieved without damn $25 drops. And our bodies need a certain amount of energy each day to keep all systems go. The other issue is that she is still breastfeeding, and 500 calories is insane if you still plan on breastfeeding.I say if you can have the discipline to go on a 500 calorie diet, why not have the discipline to go on a 1500 calorie diet and do some aerobics 20 minutes a day? |
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: January 13 2011 at 06:48 |
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You already mentioned the problem: This diet doesn't only include the magic pills, but also a caloric deficit and some other changes. Either one of those can explain the weight loss.
Exercise makes you hungrier. That's a problem that I see with your last statement. I would recommend to do something along the lines of Eat Stop Eat, and introduce 1-2 days per week where you do this extreme 500 calories diet, and you eat normally on the other days. That way you can still accumulate a nice caloric deficit, and you don't have to limit your food intake all the time. Another benefit is that your body won't slow down its metabolism. If you eat 500 calories each day, you'll experience a drastic drop in energy levels - not only will your body expend fewer calories and thus negate a big part of the caloric deficit you think you're creating, but you'll also have much less energy for your every day tasks and/or additional exercise.
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Slartibartfast
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Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: January 13 2011 at 08:52 |
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What's the point in improving your health? You're still going to die anyway only you'll have a longer period being miserable.
Edited by Slartibartfast - January 14 2011 at 08:10 |
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 06:31 |
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Improving your health reduces your potential for being miserable. Sure, we'll all die eventually, but I'd rather die of old age, but in good health, than as a diabetic with amputated legs and a blood pressure of 180 (going for some stark and somewhat unrealistic extremes here
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 08:09 |
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Yeah, if you really want a miserable death, diabetes is the way to go. But given that life is a terminal condition the only real question is how long do you want to go on and do you prefer to go out on your own terms or have someone dictate that to you, like say health insurance companies? |
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Mr ProgFreak
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Joined: November 08 2008 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 5195 |
Posted: January 14 2011 at 09:35 |
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^ Improving your health is a way to decrease the dependence on health insurance companies. Avoiding back pain, no need for statins for blood cholesterol, no medication to reduce blood pressure ... those things increase quality of life. Plus of course the biggest and most obvious improvement: Being lean instead of obese. I prefer life at 96kg to life at 118kg ... and I'll like it even better at 80kg.
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Padraic
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 09:47 |
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Need to start up the diet again.
Mike, I thought fats like olive oil, nuts, avocado etc. were good for you? You said something a page back about avoiding vegetable oils.
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 10:12 |
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Most vegetable oils are at some point of rancidity which is not good for you
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 10:44 |
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The idea is to avoid oils that contain mostly Omega-6 fatty acids. Olive oil and avocado are fine in that regard (it's mostly monounsaturated fat), but nuts contain more Omega-6. What I had in mind when I said "vegetable oils" - and I should have been more precise - are grain based oils like sunflower oil, canola oil, soy bean oil etc.. Those should be avoided and replaced with monounsaturated fats - or even saturated fat like coconut oil, if used for cooking or frying. It's about maintaining a healthy balance between Omega 6 and Omega 3. We tend to get a *lot* of Omega 6 and virtually no Omega 3, so we should reduce Omega 6 oils and supplement with fish oil - or eat lots of fatty fish like salmon, mackerel or sardines.
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