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manofmystery ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
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Actually, the roots are all in regulation and government interference but I work 7 days this week so I really don't have the time to try to re-educate an idiolog. I defer that honor to Equality if he feels like taking it.
Now, I don't like conservatives and I don't like liberals but the real problem is those who go along an defend everything a politician from their party says and does, especially when it's just repeating talking their points. Also, I honestly think more people are upset about how destructive Obama has been since he's taken office than that he's "the colored guy". Seems that if a majority of people cared about that he wouldn't have been elected in the first place. Edited by manofmystery - August 30 2010 at 08:54 |
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toroddfuglesteg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
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Equality 7-2521. The US constitution says very clearly that there shall be no religious preaching on state owned property (for example schools) or financed by the state. That's why the US army had to remove a consignment of ammo which had bible references written on them. The US constitution also bans the schools from starting their lessons with prayers. This in state owned schools in state owned properties. The conservative right around Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin is therefore running up against the US constitution in their demand for prayers in the schools. The US Constititution also bans the state and the US people from vetoing the building of a mosque at Ground Zero. A veto from President Obama in this case would had been unconstitutional. Those who demanded a veto therefore acted against the US constitution. The US constitution is perhaps the most liberal and personal freedom minded constitution ever written. It is a piece of pure brilliance. That's why the majority of the democratic states set up post year 1790 has copied the major pillars of the US constitution.
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17298 |
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Torodd, in the US, there is a chasm of policy difference between the far left and far right. But when it comes to hate, intolerance, and ignorance, you will find these on both sides of the spectrum. Thankfully these are small percentages on both sides, the vast majority of Americans are not the charicatures presented in the media. |
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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I take it you've never watched a C-SPAN viewer call in.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17298 |
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My socialist friend actually made it through once. It was a thing of beauty listening to him rail against the man for that 30 seconds or whatever. He really irked the host. We celebrated with several beers afterwards.
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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Here is a taste of 'white culture' English style. Makes me well up with pride, it does..
![]() Morris dancing Edited by Blacksword - August 30 2010 at 09:52 |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Icarium ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 21 2008 Location: Tigerstaden Status: Offline Points: 34083 |
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the Norwegian Constitution is far more radical then the American and French Constitution, (it is inspired by both, but it takes several aspects even futher, like nobeliaty is no-existent here, their are no Lords, Sirs, barons, Counts, only high remark is Knight of St Olav order in 1st degree, wich i more a thank then an offisial status).
in the Wiki link it is said that the Norwegian is the Oldest constitution stil in use (it is from 1814) and the second oldest in the World ![]() Edited by aginor - August 30 2010 at 09:55 |
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toroddfuglesteg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
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The Norwegian constitution still says (paragraph 2) that the country is ruled by the Protestant Christian faith. The ban on Jesuits and the Jews from entering Norway was not good liberal thinking too..... But humanity and common sense won the day some decades later and a debt of gratitude is paid back to Henrik Wergeland every 17th of May. The US constitution says no religion has any place in the state. This partially based on the bad experiences from England, who persecuted the Irish catholics and their own catholics without remorse. Mayflower was in fact quakers seeking asylum in America. This is the things in the US constitution which some on the religious right is fighting. You will find them in the Tea Party. But I agree that the Norwegians constitution is a great document we are rightly proud of. Btw. I don't like the fanatics on the left in the USA either. I am not subscribing to the idea that George Bush was a horrible man who ate small children for breakfast. I think he was a well meaning man not up for the job. Neither do I subscribe to the idea that Jon Stewart and others gurus on the left are fantastic people. I am a middle of the road conservative dull man who does not like change whatsoever. |
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Icarium ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 21 2008 Location: Tigerstaden Status: Offline Points: 34083 |
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I like to call myself a Liberal-conservative Sosialist since im happy with the monarcy, I am proud of mye cultural heritage, but as a dyslectic and not very adaptable to the functioning of everyday life im also for sosial help and NAV
![]() Mostly I don't like to be in one political field, i like to be flexible within all the three acceptable branches of Democrasy (Liberal, Sosial and Conservative) and stay as far away from the most far-right branch of democracy (but stil an offspring of democracy) facsime.which is a BAAAAD thing
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Trademark ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 21 2006 Location: oHIo Status: Offline Points: 1009 |
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To hell with the tea party. I'm joining the Big Mac, Fries and a Diet Coke party which is mostly made up of folks who don't give a sh*t about anything.
As for there being only blacks in church in the US. You gotta stop getting all your cultural information from Tyler Perry movies. And anyway, where I come from most of the white people are not very cultured at all....aint that right Cletus? Edited by Trademark - August 30 2010 at 10:38 |
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toroddfuglesteg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
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I have never said this. But the stats says that Christianity is not an exclusive white culture the Christian man president Obama can be racist against. More coffee, please. |
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mr.cub ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 06 2009 Location: Lexington, VA Status: Offline Points: 971 |
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The real culprit of our boom-bust economic cycle has been government involvement in the economic sector. And as much as you hate to accept it, the "old way" (large excessive federal debt, protectionist trade policies with high tariffs which kill economic competition and encourage monopolies, federal control of the money supply) are liberal policies which have been around since Wilson, if not Lincoln. There hasn't been true de-regulation of the financial sector since Jackson and even then he had his hand in executive orders such as the Specie Circular Edited by mr.cub - August 30 2010 at 10:52 |
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Trademark ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 21 2006 Location: oHIo Status: Offline Points: 1009 |
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^^You said:
"the most Christian people in the world are the colored people in the USA" and "Because when I go to a Christian church or see church services from USA on TV, I only see colored people" That's TV, not reality the information you are getting is not accurate. TV is not a good medium to use when making blanket judgements. My personal favorite stereotype from abroad is "all people from the US own (and use) guns" and now this one, "only blacks go to church". God bless the media. Edited by Trademark - August 30 2010 at 10:53 |
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
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Considering that blacks only make up about 12.4% of the US's total population, and considering that 76.5% of people in US identify as Christian (whether they are genuinely Christian or not), it cannot be the case that most Christians in the US are black.
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toroddfuglesteg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
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Sorry, I was expressing myself less than precise. Let me add that I also believe that white people in USA are Christians too. That should make a couple of white American admins in this forum loose their grips on my throat....... Yes, I agree that the media reporting on and about Americans is wildly inaccurate. The reason is that we in Europe don't understand you. I have some very distant American relatives and their views on life is pretty Martian-speak to me and the vast majority of Europeans. And I believe it is the other way too. That's why most political discussions in this forum is like LSD trips. Not that I have tried LSD. But after being around here for a while, I have got the essentials, so to speak. I also believe it is a vast difference in culture between Ohio and Boston too. Am I right ? |
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toroddfuglesteg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
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Percentage wise of the two communities, my friend. |
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
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Perhaps. Not too huge a difference between 78% and 85%, I say, but okay. Here's the chart if anyone is interested in the stats: Data was pulled from here. |
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toroddfuglesteg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
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I am still confused when it comes to what is supposed to be my culture.... Would you say Christianity is a white culture, Epignosis ? |
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
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Not at all. What I've been saying is that there is no such thing as "white culture." As far as I can tell, there never has been either. I can pretty accurately describe ancient near eastern culture, Mediterranean culture, Mexican culture, and a few others. That's because culture is more of a geographical phenomenon rather than a racial one. |
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Trademark ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 21 2006 Location: oHIo Status: Offline Points: 1009 |
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I would say that Christianity is a religion and not a culture in and of itself. I would say that shared shared religion can be a part of an overall culture. Whites and blacks in the US are predominately Chrisitan in their faiths, but celebrate those faiths (often) in different ways (styles of worship). Christianity is (pr was) a part of the US culture AND it is also part of the separate black and white sub-cultures in this country.
The problem that you are running into is in trying to make serious sense out of a statement that was meant only to anger and inflame emotions. Once again television personalities (Glen Beck is an entertainer not a serious journalist) are not the best source for information. Trying to make sense of this is a futile as putting a camel therough the eye of a needle. |
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