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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 08:53
Originally posted by TheClosing TheClosing wrote:


Never take responsibility is their motto. At the start of the election all you heard about was how great Reganomics are. Then things went sour and they shut up real quick about it. So now they're trying to pin it on the colored guy like he's had time to screw everything up. Never mind the real roots like deregulation of the financial sector that's taken decades to feel the true effects. Conservative is just another world for moron. Things need to improve because the old way just won't cut it forever, OBVIOUSLY. 
 
Actually, the roots are all in regulation and government interference but I work 7 days this week so I really don't have the time to try to re-educate an idiolog.  I defer that honor to Equality if he feels like taking it.
Now, I don't like conservatives and I don't like liberals but the real problem is those who go along an defend everything a politician from their party says and does, especially when it's just repeating talking their points.  Also, I honestly think more people are upset about how destructive Obama has been since he's taken office than that he's "the colored guy".  Seems that if a majority of people cared about that he wouldn't have been elected in the first place.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 08:59

Equality 7-2521.

The US constitution says very clearly that there shall be no religious preaching on state owned property (for example schools) or financed by the state. That's why the US army had to remove a consignment of ammo which had bible references written on them. The US constitution also bans the schools from starting their lessons with prayers. This in state owned schools in state owned properties. The conservative right around Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin is therefore running up against the US constitution in their demand for prayers in the schools.

The US Constititution also bans the state and the US people from vetoing the building of a mosque at Ground Zero. A veto from President Obama in this case would had been unconstitutional. Those who demanded a veto therefore acted against the US constitution. 

The US constitution is perhaps the most liberal and personal freedom minded constitution ever written. It is a piece of pure brilliance. That's why the majority of the democratic states set up post year 1790 has copied the major pillars of the US constitution.  

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 09:36

Torodd, in the US, there is a chasm of policy difference between the far left and far right.  But when it comes to hate, intolerance, and ignorance, you will find these on both sides of the spectrum.  Thankfully these are small percentages on both sides, the vast majority of Americans are not the charicatures presented in the media. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 09:40
I take it you've never watched a C-SPAN viewer call in. LOL
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 09:43
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I take it you've never watched a C-SPAN viewer call in. LOL
 
My socialist friend actually made it through once.  It was a thing of beauty listening to him rail against the man for that 30 seconds or whatever.  He really irked the host.  We celebrated with several beers afterwards.LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 09:51
Here is a taste of 'white culture' English style. Makes me well up with pride, it does..

Morris dancing

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 09:52
the Norwegian Constitution is far more radical then the American and French Constitution, (it is inspired by both, but it takes several aspects even futher, like nobeliaty is no-existent here, their are no Lords, Sirs, barons, Counts, only high remark is Knight of St Olav order in 1st degree, wich i more a thank then an offisial status).   
 
 
in the Wiki link it is said that the Norwegian is the Oldest constitution stil in use (it is from 1814) and the second oldest in the World Shocked,


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 10:14

The Norwegian constitution still says (paragraph 2) that the country is ruled by the Protestant Christian faith. The ban on Jesuits and the Jews from entering Norway was not good liberal thinking too..... But humanity and common sense won the day some decades later and a debt of gratitude is paid back to  Henrik Wergeland every 17th of May. 

The US constitution says no religion has any place in the state. This partially based on the bad experiences from England, who persecuted the Irish catholics and their own catholics without remorse. Mayflower was in fact quakers seeking asylum in America. This is the things in the US constitution which some on the religious right is fighting. You will find them in the Tea Party.  

But I agree that the Norwegians constitution is a great document we are rightly proud of.

Btw. I don't like the fanatics on the left in the USA either. I am not subscribing to the idea that George Bush was a horrible man who ate small children for breakfast. I think he was a well meaning man not up for the job. Neither do I subscribe to the idea that Jon Stewart and others gurus on the left are fantastic people. I am a middle of the road conservative dull man who does not like change whatsoever.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 10:35
I like to call myself a Liberal-conservative Sosialist since im happy with the monarcy, I am proud of mye cultural heritage, but as a dyslectic and not very adaptable to the functioning of everyday life im also for sosial help and NAV Embarrassed (for actualy getting through university studie, and not ending up as a crack addict or low selfesteme wich i sometimes get), and finaly I like to have the choise of doing what you want and if you work for it you will someday be on the top of the "foodchain" go to nice nightclubs or whatever drink cocktails, drinks, or cognac with youre own earned money.
 
Mostly I don't like to be in one political field, i like to be flexible within all the three acceptable branches of Democrasy (Liberal, Sosial and Conservative) and stay as far away from the most far-right branch of democracy (but stil an offspring of democracy) facsime.which is a BAAAAD thing  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 10:35
To hell with the tea party.  I'm joining the Big Mac, Fries and a Diet Coke party which is mostly made up of folks who don't give a sh*t about anything.

As for there being only blacks in church in the US.  You gotta stop getting all your cultural information from Tyler Perry movies.

And anyway, where I come from most of the white people are not very cultured at all....aint that right Cletus?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 10:41
 
Originally posted by Trademark Trademark wrote:


As for there being only blacks in church in the US.  

I have never said this. But the stats says that Christianity is not an exclusive white culture the Christian man president Obama can be racist against. 

More coffee, please. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 10:47
Originally posted by TheClosing TheClosing wrote:


Never take responsibility is their motto. At the start of the election all you heard about was how great Reganomics are. Then things went sour and they shut up real quick about it. So now they're trying to pin it on the colored guy like he's had time to screw everything up. Never mind the real roots like deregulation of the financial sector that's taken decades to feel the true effects. Conservative is just another world for moron. Things need to improve because the old way just won't cut it forever, OBVIOUSLY. 





The real culprit of our boom-bust economic cycle has been government involvement in the economic sector. And as much as you hate to accept it, the "old way" (large excessive federal debt, protectionist trade policies with high tariffs which kill economic competition and encourage monopolies, federal control of the money supply) are liberal policies which have been around since Wilson, if not Lincoln. There hasn't been true de-regulation  of the financial sector since Jackson and even then he had his hand in executive orders such as the Specie Circular


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 10:52
^^You said:

"the most Christian people in the world are the colored people in the USA"

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"Because when I go to a Christian church or see church services from USA on TV, I only see colored people"


That's TV, not reality the information you are getting is not accurate.  TV is not a good medium to use when making blanket judgements.  My personal favorite stereotype from abroad is "all people from the US own (and use) guns" and now this one, "only blacks go to church".

God bless the media.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 11:00
Considering that blacks only make up about 12.4% of the US's total population, and considering that 76.5% of people in US identify as Christian (whether they are genuinely Christian or not), it cannot be the case that most Christians in the US are black.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 11:02

Sorry, I was expressing myself less than precise. 

Let me add that I also believe that white people in USA are Christians too. That should make a couple of white American admins in this forum loose their grips on my throat....... Smile

Yes, I agree that the media reporting on and about Americans is wildly inaccurate. The reason is that we in Europe don't understand you. I have some very distant American relatives and their views on life is pretty Martian-speak to me and the vast majority of Europeans. And I believe it is the other way too. That's why most political discussions in this forum is like LSD trips. Not that I have tried LSD. But after being around here for a while, I have got the essentials, so to speak. 

I also believe it is a vast difference in culture between Ohio and Boston too. Am I right ?  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 11:03

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Considering that blacks only make up about 12.4% of the US's total population, and considering that 76.5% of people in US identify as Christian (whether they are genuinely Christian or not), it cannot be the case that most Christians in the US are black.

Percentage wise of the two communities, my friend. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 11:10
Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Considering that blacks only make up about 12.4% of the US's total population, and considering that 76.5% of people in US identify as Christian (whether they are genuinely Christian or not), it cannot be the case that most Christians in the US are black.

Percentage wise of the two communities, my friend. 



Perhaps.  Not too huge a difference between 78% and 85%, I say, but okay.  Here's the chart if anyone is interested in the stats:

Religion&amp;#8595; White&amp;#8595; Black&amp;#8595; Asian&amp;#8595; Other/Mixed&amp;#8595; Latino&amp;#8595;
Christian 78% 85% 45% 69% 84%
Protestant 53% 78% 27% 51% 23%
Catholic 22% 5% 17% 14% 58%
Mormon 2% 0% 1% 2% 1%
Jehovah's Witness 0% 1% 0% 1% 1%
Orthodox 1% 0% 0% 1% 0%
Other 0% 0% 0% 1% 0%
Other Religions 5% 2% 30% 9% 2%
Jewish 2% 0% 0% 1% 0%
Muslim 0% 1% 4% 1% 0%
Buddhist 1% 0% 9% 1% 0%
Hindu 0% 0% 14% 1% 0%
Other world religions 0% 0% 2% 0% 0%
Other faiths 1% 0% 1% 5% 0%
Unaffiliated 17% 13% 25% 22% 15%

Data was pulled from here.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 11:21

I am still confused when it comes to what is supposed to be my culture....

Would you say Christianity is a white culture, Epignosis ? 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 11:27
Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

I am still confused when it comes to what is supposed to be my culture....

Would you say Christianity is a white culture, Epignosis ? 



Not at all.  What I've been saying is that there is no such thing as "white culture."  As far as I can tell, there never has been either. 

I can pretty accurately describe ancient near eastern culture, Mediterranean culture, Mexican culture, and a few others.  That's because culture is more of a geographical phenomenon rather than a racial one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 30 2010 at 11:32
I would say that Christianity is a religion and not a culture in and of itself.  I would say that shared shared religion can be a part of an overall culture.  Whites and blacks in the US are predominately Chrisitan in their faiths, but celebrate those faiths  (often) in different ways (styles of worship).  Christianity is (pr was) a part of the US culture AND it is also part of the separate black and white sub-cultures in this country.

The problem that you are running into is in trying to make serious sense out of a statement that was meant only to anger and inflame emotions.  Once again television personalities (Glen Beck is an entertainer not a serious journalist) are not the best source for information.  Trying to make sense of this is a futile as putting a camel therough the eye of a needle.
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