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JesusisLord 
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 Posted: August 01 2007 at 17:18 |
If you read again my original post, the point being made was that prior to receiving salvation through Christ, all men are lost and have been born into the wrong family. The common misconception that we are all God's children is entirely unbiblical. The Bible teaches that you become a child of God through faith in Christ Jesus. (Gal. 2) So a man regardless of what he does, or a musician, regardless of what he plays is still either a child of God, having been born into God's family by receiving Christ, or he is still lost, unsaved and in the devil's household because He has rejected the gift of God(John 3: 16-19) Pick up a Bible read it yourself. I didn't write it.
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And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Phillipians 2:11
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JesusisLord
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Posted: August 01 2007 at 17:21 |
Oh, and by the way, I'm not a troll. Chances are if we ever met, we would probably get along quite well 
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And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Phillipians 2:11
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Dean
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Posted: August 01 2007 at 17:49 |
Ozzy - "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath" (Luke 6:5)
Jethro Tull - "They sing to the music of tambourine and harp; they make merry to the sound of the flute" (Job 21:12) <- though Rush would also apply 
Pink Floyd - "When the trumpets sounded, the people shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the people gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed" (Joshua 6:20)
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 01 2007 at 23:51 |
 darqdean wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
BTW: Even in the utopic and already denied case they were using the Latin Translation, the the sumatory is wrong in the word VICARIUS being that if the
IU = IV = 4, not 6 , so the sumatory would be 664 but they don't talk this. |
Actually each letter is summed individually, but it made something else stick out. I did not even notice that 5 was applied to the letter U. It should have been 0 thus the total would be 661. |
U and V were the same letter in the Latin alphabet, the U was not treated as a seperate character until the Renaissance. |
In Latin as in most languages, the numbers are written in hoprizontal order from left to right so I will highlight the numbers existing:
VI C A R IV S F I L I I DEI
6 +100 + 4 + 1 + 50 + 2 + 500 + 1 = 664
The letters IV readed in horizontal sense mean 4, there's no other possible way to read this, that's the reason why the Bigot placed his anagram in vertical position, so his trick could not be found, but the Roman language is not readed vertically.
But it's all a fallacy because the title of the Pope is VICARIUS CHRISTI, the one this fanatics invented doesn't exist anywhere.
This is just as a cutriosity because who cares about fanatics?
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - August 01 2007 at 23:51
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 08:31 |
JesusisLord wrote:
...all men are lost and have been born into the wrong family.
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OMG! My parents are not going to like this.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 08:33 |
JesusisLord wrote:
Oh, and by the way, I'm not a troll. Chances are if we ever met, we would probably get along quite well |
OK, you bring your bible and I'll bring my Aesop Fables. We can compare notes. Oh, and can I bring my UFO files too? I have a great series on DVD of "In Search of..." too.
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Dean
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 08:33 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
JesusisLord wrote:
...all men are lost and have been born into the wrong family.
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OMG! My parents are not going to like this. |
are you sure of that? 
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andu
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 08:41 |
darqdean wrote:
Ozzy - "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath" (Luke 6:5)
Jethro Tull - "They sing to the music of tambourine and harp; they make merry to the sound of the flute" (Job 21:12) <- though Rush would also apply
Pink Floyd - "When the trumpets sounded, the people shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the people gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed" (Joshua 6:20) |
 That's what I call erudition!
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 08:49 |
darqdean wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
JesusisLord wrote:
...all men are lost and have been born into the wrong family.
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OMG! My parents are not going to like this.
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are you sure of that? |
OK, I just called my folks. They breathed a sigh of relief. They were wondering when I was going to find out.
Obligatory Prog content: "And the meek shall inherit the earth...." Rush - 2112
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 08:50 |
darqdean wrote:
Jethro Tull - "They sing to the music of tambourine and harp; they make merry to the sound of the flute" (Job 21:12) <- though Rush would also apply |
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BaldFriede
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 10:58 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
darqdean wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
BTW: Even in the utopic and already denied case they were using the Latin Translation, the the sumatory is wrong in the word VICARIUS being that if the
IU = IV = 4, not 6 , so the sumatory would be 664 but they don't talk this. |
Actually each letter is summed individually, but it made something else stick out. I did not even notice that 5 was applied to the letter U. It should have been 0 thus the total would be 661. |
U and V were the same letter in the Latin alphabet, the U was not treated as a seperate character until the Renaissance. |
In Latin as in most languages, the numbers are written in hoprizontal order from left to right so I will highlight the numbers existing:
VI C A R IV S F I L I I DEI
6 +100 + 4 + 1 + 50 + 2 + 500 + 1 = 664
The letters IV readed in horizontal sense mean 4, there's no other possible way to read this, that's the reason why the Bigot placed his anagram in vertical position, so his trick could not be found, but the Roman language is not readed vertically.
But it's all a fallacy because the title of the Pope is VICARIUS CHRISTI, the one this fanatics invented doesn't exist anywhere.
This is just as a cutriosity because who cares about fanatics?
Iván |
Ivan, you do get 666 if you see every letter as a single number.
Then the "IV" in Vicarius become "1+5" instead of "4", and the letters
count up to 666. And since ILII does not make sense at all, you obviously have to see the numbers separately.
Edited by BaldFriede - August 02 2007 at 11:02
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 11:06 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
In Latin as in most languages, the numbers are written in hoprizontal order from left to right so I will highlight the numbers existing:
VI C A R IV S F I L I I DEI
6 +100 + 4 + 1 + 50 + 2 + 500 + 1 = 664
The letters IV readed in horizontal sense mean 4, there's no other possible way to read this, that's the reason why the Bigot placed his anagram in vertical position, so his trick could not be found, but the Roman language is not readed vertically.
But it's all a fallacy because the title of the Pope is VICARIUS CHRISTI, the one this fanatics invented doesn't exist anywhere.
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Assuming that it FILII DEI and not CHRISTI follow on to the next question.
OK, I'm curious and maybe I didn't understand, but how do we know it is in fact IV and not a separate I and V?
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BaldFriede
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 11:09 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
In Latin as in most languages, the numbers are written in hoprizontal order from left to right so I will highlight the numbers existing:
VI C A R IV S F I L I I DEI
6 +100 + 4 + 1 + 50 + 2 + 500 + 1 = 664
The letters IV readed in horizontal sense mean 4, there's no other possible way to read this, that's the reason why the Bigot placed his anagram in vertical position, so his trick could not be found, but the Roman language is not readed vertically.
But it's all a fallacy because the title of the Pope is VICARIUS CHRISTI, the one this fanatics invented doesn't exist anywhere.
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Assuming that it FILII DEI and not CHRISTI follow on to the next question.
OK, I'm curious and maybe I didn't understand, but how do we know it is in fact IV and not a separate I and V? |
Because there is a sequence ILII in VICARIUS FILII DEI. This sequence
highly suggests that the numbers have to be taken one by one, since
"ILII" is not a legitimate Latin number.
Edited by BaldFriede - August 02 2007 at 11:10
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BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 11:15 |
BaldFriede wrote:
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Assuming that it FILII DEI and not CHRISTI follow on to the next question.
OK, I'm curious and maybe I didn't understand, but how do we know it is in fact IV and not a separate I and V?
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Because there is a sequence ILII in VICARIUS FILII DEI. This sequence highly suggests that the numbers have to be taken one by one, since ILII is not a legitimate Latin number.
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The sequence concept seems to make sense. Why would only the IV be treated together as a paired set of characters? Well, it shouldn't becuase no where else does it.
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The sequence concept seems to make sense. Why would only the IV be treated together as a paired set of characters? Well, it shouldn't becuase no where else does it.
Edited by StyLaZyn - August 02 2007 at 11:16
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 11:16 |
OFF TOPIC: Friederike, we share a birthday  . Along with Mozart and Nick Mason 
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BaldFriede
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 11:27 |
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BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 11:29 |
BaldFriede wrote:
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Because there is a sequence ILII in VICARIUS FILII DEI. This sequence highly suggests that the numbers have to be taken one by one, since "ILII" is not a legitimate Latin number.
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OK, it can be debated, But the tittle VICARIUS FILII DEI doesn't exist, is an invention, was, is and will never be used, it was FORGED by ELEN GOULD WHITE fv the Seventh Day Adventiost Church who made prophecies about the end of the world before the XX Century arrived and of course where false.
Even her own Church ignores her prophecies because of the Sola Scriptura principle, being that if her adivination jokes where true the Bible would not be the only source of salvation.
The tittle of the Pope is VICARIUS CHRISTI and before that VICARIUS PETRI
Iván
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andu
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 11:32 |
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 11:33 |
Off the Prog topic but this is cool. I read the book too.
The Prophecy of the Popes, attributed to Saint Malachy, is a list of 112 short phrases in Latin. They purport to describe each of the Roman Catholic popes (along with a few anti-popes), beginning with Pope Celestine II (elected in 1143) and concluding with a later added pope described in the prophecy as "Peter the Roman", whose pontificate will end in the destruction of the city of Rome followed by the Last Judgement.
We are on the last Pope now! Odd how Rome gets destroyed. Why Rome?
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 02 2007 at 11:37 |
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