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The Doctor
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Posted: February 27 2009 at 11:59 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
There`s a black magic store here in Montréal and there`s this idiot who shows up from time-to-time and throws holy water all over it.
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How is it that the guy who throws holy water on it, believing deeply in its power apparently, is any more of an idiot than those who own or shop at the black magic shop, some of which must also believe in its power.  Of course, there may also be curiosity seekers that frequent it as well. But for my money I would take an "idiot" who believes in the power of good over an "idiot" who believes in the power of evil any day.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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crimhead
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Posted: February 27 2009 at 12:02 |
Too many people in the U.S. of A would get their panties in a bunch over this. In the land of free speech this is something that O'Reilly would jump all over.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: February 27 2009 at 12:18 |
BaldJean wrote:
I don't quite see how Darwin comes in here. many Christians have no problem at all to believe in God and in evolution. I must say I have high respect for the bus driver who refused to drive the bus with this inscription on it. not necessarily because I agree with him but because he had the courage to stand up for his opinion
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True, as a fact the Catholic Church officially has said that God decided in which moment of the evolution the man was capable of having a sould, which he created and placed in the human.
Thus, as with Pius XII, the critical teaching of the Church is that God infuses souls into man—regardless of what process he might have used to create our physical bodies. Science, the Pope insisted, can never identify for us “the moment of the transition into the spiritual”—that is a matter exclusively with the magesterium of religion.
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Butr my point here is different.
If a bus carried a propaganda sayig "God exists, be good", probably all the atheists will make a scandal saying that Religion must not be used outside church despite is a positive message, and I agree, Evengelism is for those who want to listen it.
But Atheists can say wherever they want "Hey God probably doesn't exist,do what you want" which could cause negative behaviour and nobody says a word.
Now....Why in hell must Atheist have the right to do their atheist evangelism with an outfit of agnosticism if religious people are not allowed?
I believe the rules should apply for everybody, religious and not religious,
People who believe must keep their religion in their hearts, families and churches, while Atheists must keep their philosophy in their brains, families and forums.
I can't respect more what te bus driver did, the guy is a man of principles who doesn't care to jeopardize the work he needs to survive if it goes agaiinst his beliefs. 
Iván
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CPicard
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Posted: February 27 2009 at 12:22 |
mystic fred wrote:
evolution is about reproduction, improvement and adaptation, survival of the fittest and the law of the jungle - i hope civilisation will come to rise above this and be human
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Er... What?
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: February 27 2009 at 12:26 |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: February 27 2009 at 12:29 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
True, as a fact the Catholic Church officially has said that God decided in which moment of the evolution the man was capable of having a sould, which he created and placed in the human. |
Watching Religulous last night, one of the interesting things I found was that the Catholic church has apparently become more progressive in its views towards science that fundamentalist US "christian" churches.
Edited by Slartibartfast - February 27 2009 at 12:30
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: February 27 2009 at 12:44 |
The Doctor wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
There`s a black magic store here in Montréal and there`s this idiot who shows up from time-to-time and throws holy water all over it.
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How is it that the guy who throws holy water on it, believing deeply in its power apparently, is any more of an idiot than those who own or shop at the black magic shop, some of which must also believe in its power.  Of course, there may also be curiosity seekers that frequent it as well. But for my money I would take an "idiot" who believes in the power of good over an "idiot" who believes in the power of evil any day. |
It seems to be more of a novelty thing. I`ve seen a lot of goth chicks and Marilyn Manson lookalikes go in and out of it. This guy really thinks he`s thwarting demons.
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BaldJean
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Posted: February 27 2009 at 12:49 |
it has to be remarked that not even the so-called random process of mutation is completely random; some mutations are more likely to happen that others. this has to do with the way the DNA is stored inside the nucleus of a cell. it is coiled up, and depending on the way it is coiled some mutations are more likely to happen than others, simply because some base sequences are more easily accessible than others.
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: February 27 2009 at 13:12 |
BaldJean wrote:
it has to be remarked that not even the so-called random process of mutation is completely random; some mutations are more likely to happen that others. this has to do with the way the DNA is stored inside the nucleus of a cell. it is coiled up, and depending on the way it is coiled some mutations are more likely to happen than others, simply because some base sequences are more easily accessible than others.
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When I got a 50 cd "jukebox" from Sony a few years ago, I noticed that it would randomly select a disc from the 50 and then randomly select a track from the disc. I had Miles Davis' Pangea loaded up, amongst others. It's basically a one track per CD disc album and it kept coming up more frequently than the others in the jukebox... I'd have probably paid extra if I could have obtained a unit that would cycle through the whole set without repeats. 
Edited by Slartibartfast - February 27 2009 at 13:18
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: February 27 2009 at 13:35 |
I kind of like the late George Carlin`s musings about religion. God loves you but he has a list of 10 things you can`t do. The 10 commandments. Spooky language. Does not apply to intelligent humans etc. etc.
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BaldJean
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Posted: February 27 2009 at 13:37 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
I don't quite see how Darwin comes in here. many Christians have no problem at all to believe in God and in evolution. I must say I have high respect for the bus driver who refused to drive the bus with this inscription on it. not necessarily because I agree with him but because he had the courage to stand up for his opinion
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True, as a fact the Catholic Church officially has said that God decided in which moment of the evolution the man was capable of having a sould, which he created and placed in the human.
Thus, as with Pius XII, the critical teaching of the Church is that God infuses souls into man—regardless of what process he might have used to create our physical bodies. Science, the Pope insisted, can never identify for us “the moment of the transition into the spiritual”—that is a matter exclusively with the magesterium of religion.
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Butr my point here is different.
If a bus carried a propaganda sayig "God exists, be good", probably all the atheists will make a scandal saying that Religion must not be used outside church despite is a positive message, and I agree, Evengelism is for those who want to listen it.
But Atheists can say wherever they want "Hey God probably doesn't exist,do what you want" which could cause negative behaviour and nobody says a word.
Now....Why in hell must Atheist have the right to do their atheist evangelism with an outfit of agnosticism if religious people are not allowed?
I believe the rules should apply for everybody, religious and not religious,
People who believe must keep their religion in their hearts, families and churches, while Atheists must keep their philosophy in their brains, families and forums.
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that is, however, not quite what is asked of Christians. just remember Matthew 10:16 "I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves"
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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mrcozdude
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Posted: March 01 2009 at 04:19 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
I kind of like the late George Carlin`s musings about religion. God loves you but he has a list of 10 things you can`t do. The 10 commandments. Spooky language. Does not apply to intelligent humans etc. etc.
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One of George Carlin's quotes which the campaign uses is "atheism is a non profit organization".I really like that quote.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 01 2009 at 05:51 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
There`s a black magic store here in Montréal and there`s this idiot who shows up from time-to-time and throws holy water all over it.
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U just have no idea what evil would come pouring out if he weren't doing that on a regular basis.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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BaldFriede
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Posted: March 01 2009 at 06:04 |
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 BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: March 01 2009 at 16:49 |
BaldJean wrote:
Pnoom! wrote:
mystic fred wrote:
Saying "there is probably no God" is not the same as saying "there is no God", is it...not really a true Atheist statement at all |
As an atheist, I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Anyone who thinks they know enough to say either "there is a god" or "there is no god" is arrogant and full of sh*t.
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excuse me, but that's exactly what ALL atheists say. it is the very definition of atheism. your position is an agnostic one, not an atheistic one; that's a big difference
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Exactly. There is no God. Therefore I am an Atheist.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: March 01 2009 at 16:57 |
Gees, I learnt something today, I thought I was "atheist", though not "100 %", lol, but this quite of means, agnostic, which I have to find the word in spanish..
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: March 01 2009 at 17:00 |
cacho wrote:
Gees, I learnt something today, I thought I was "atheist", though not "100 %", lol, but this quite of means, agnostic, which I have to find the word in spanish.. |
Agnóstico.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: March 01 2009 at 17:02 |
^ah, thanks Ivan! Though I have never heard it, that's why....
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: March 01 2009 at 17:04 |
It's all silly terminology anyhow.
I don't believe in God and know there isn't one. Some would say I am an atheist, some would say I am an agnostic. Nobody can seem to agree as to what they are; that amuses me.
Therefore, I don't need a label to say what my beliefs are. I am just me and I know what I do and do not believe in.
Edited by James - March 01 2009 at 17:05
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The Quiet One
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Posted: March 01 2009 at 17:09 |
^definitely James
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