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kenethlevine 
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 Posted: September 18 2018 at 21:35 |
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 to Pedro and MickyEdited by kenethlevine - September 18 2018 at 21:35 |
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micky
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Posted: September 18 2018 at 22:14 |
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oh no... it's all for Pedro... if I can't on my highly evolved and overarching frame of reality can't pick up what he puts down then Pedro truly is in a class by himself.
seriously Ken.. he makes me look downright normal.. once I retire and start doing drugs again perhaps his post will make more sense. The funny thing is.. I'd bet my paycheck Pedro ain't even touched a drug in his life and that is both awe inspiring. and yet truly some scary sh*t man...
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Sean Trane
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Posted: September 19 2018 at 01:55 |
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the mother of all concept album is also the mother of prog rock album. Unless you're Thick As A Brick, this makes total sense
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moshkito
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Posted: September 19 2018 at 07:02 |
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Ohhhhh, I get it ... music is not a part of life for you! How do you know it's progressive, then?
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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moshkito
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Posted: September 19 2018 at 07:14 |
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Micky ... I'm a veteran and I quit a long time ago. I pretty much started with the Beatles idea and comments that there was much more to the drug than just getting stoned, and never stopped, that thought, which made sense for me, coming from a highly literary family (house with 40K+ books of literature ... wanna go to Lisbon to see it?). My biggest concern, is trying to put it all into a sort of theory of relativity, where/when, things add up. They usually don't but some of the stuff in rock music is downright poor and just simple bar-room fun crap that is not any more prog or progressive than your co__ or mine! To me, from day one, there was music that made sense, and its lyrics were valuable and important ... the lyrics for "Paint It Black" and "Between the Buttons" albums, for example, were highly valuable to a 14/15 year old kid ... and then the continuation to Sgt P or Their SM's ... kinda helped take things a bit further. When taking these in context and reading Hesse, Huxley, Kesey, Sartre, Genet and many others in school ... your look at the music and its lyrics tends to pale and many of them are downright stupid, but many won't admit it because they like the song. The saddest thing here is how everyone is a Warhol fan ... go look at the Campbell's soup can ... and see how "progressive" it is in the art. All it does is confuse your idea of what art is supposed to be ... and too much rock music does the same thing with its publicity and fame status. All you gotta do is take a look at its history, and I don't mean a look at the top ten listings each and every year!
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dr wu23
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Posted: September 20 2018 at 12:39 |
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Dopeydoc
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Posted: September 27 2018 at 15:57 |
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Yes! or may be Greenslade??
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philipemery
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Posted: September 29 2018 at 17:51 |
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Oh yay, more incomprehensible bull from Pedro, disrupting an otherwise pleasant thread (as usual).
------------------------------------------------ Aside from that... I don't know if I could say there is one singular quintessential prog album for me. At least not based on a single genre. For me (there will be unpopular choices lol): Octopus - Gentle Giant is the quintessential Eclectic Prog album Dark Side of the Moon - Pink Floyd defines Space Rock for me Mumien - Floh de Cologne is my quintessential krautrock album Babylon - Babylon probably the best symphonic rock album MDK - Magma is the quintessential Zeuhl album Animal Notes - Crack the Sky is the defining album of Heavy Prog to me Automatic Man - Automatic Man is what defines Crossover Prog to me Felona E Sorona - Le Orme is the quintessential Italian Progressive Rock album to me There ya go. Other genres I haven't explored as much, so I can't really say. But these are my picks. Sorry, but I can't just narrow it down to one singular quintessential album. If I had only one album that I could ever listen to again though, it would be Dark Side of the Moon. |
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miamiscot
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Posted: October 04 2018 at 07:48 |
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If ARW ever release an album I'm sure Brian Lane will promote is as "Quintessential."
I digress. The ultimate Prog LP has to be ITCOTCK.
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dr wu23
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Posted: October 04 2018 at 12:06 |
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^ Damn straight............
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wiz_d_kidd
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Posted: October 05 2018 at 09:29 |
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I like to consider the quintessential prog album this way: If a person not familiar with prog asked me for a sample track, what would I play for them? For me it would have to be Relayer. Gates of Delirium, in particular, is one of the proggiest tracks according to my tastes and definitions... Lots of drama and energy. A roller coaster of emotion (angst, fear, elation). Many different movements all seamlessly sculpted into a single piece. Expert muscianship. And the vocals! And while I might also consider KC Red, or some other album, I think Relayer is more accessible to the non-practitioner. And once Jon breaks into "Soon...", many non-prog people would say "Oh, I remember hearing that back in the day". They just never heard the whole masterpiece which it is part of. And I would say "Welcome to prog, my friend". |
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Posted: October 05 2018 at 16:54 |
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Relayer is an incredible album and one of my absolute all time favourites.
Not sure whether it's one for prog newbies though - it's not exactly a gentle introduction to prog I remember when I first listened to Relayer as a teenager, and it blew my head off! I was already familiar with prog by that time though. I like your argument, but I would need to see experiments carried out on prog newbies to test the impact of Relayer versus a softer album, like maybe Genesis SEPTP.
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Posted: October 05 2018 at 20:51 |
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Relayer easier for someone who's not into prog than Red... no way.
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Posted: October 07 2018 at 01:24 |
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Well the big six are not that for nothing. Everyone else is just as good but getting a newbie into prog rock means something accessible and brilliant. CTTE, Dark Side, would be the two in that order largely because everyone probably knows Dark Side. Just wish CTTE had been a 2 record set. Of course Eddie Offord wouldn't... Add in Trick, ELP, Songs From The Wood and... um, ITCOTCK or Discipline. Live albums are fun. Ummagumma, Yessongs, Seconds Out, WBMFTTSTNE, USA and that brilliantly produced Bursting Out. And slipping in Camel double live version of Snow Goose might be a good hidden bonus. Otherwise you could go - which album is brilliant but bound to put off the newbie... |
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It seems quite ironic to me that [one of the] the first prog album[s] would be the ultimate; considering that ultimate often means final, or the point at which no further progress can be made. Doesn't look very good for the genre if the peak was the [one of the] very first album[s], and then it all went downhill from there! I think ITCotCK has some wonderful songs, it for sure has historical important, but the quintessential prog album? I could not agree with that. A lot of what I consider the "prog rock sound" was developed and refined after that album by both King Crimson and other bands. I think of it as more of an appetizer rather than the main course. [Edits in bold made for the pedantic]
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Posted: October 07 2018 at 17:43 |
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seems sort of ironic that intelligent music fans are .. not educated
 a full f**king year before that album.... |
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Posted: October 08 2018 at 08:07 |
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Interesting points. You're making me think twice about this. Maybe Close To The Edge is the pinnacle and thus the "quintessential" prog album...
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Posted: October 08 2018 at 13:04 |
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Well, ITCOTCK is not remotely the first Prog album-
Neither is the ultimate IMHO (Of course), I'll stay with Foxtrot, a flawless album |
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Posted: October 08 2018 at 13:07 |
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This is one sh*t hot lp there is no doubt about it; definitely the first fully formed progressive rock lp long before Mr Fripp and co..
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Posted: October 08 2018 at 19:26 |
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Well I was going to be really pedantic and say something like "the album considered by many to be one of the first, if not the first" instead of "the first", but I felt like the intelligent readers here could just read past that and focus on the point I was trying to make. Granted, there is a fine line between what's proto-prog and what's prog; I don't know if I'd really consider something like Stand Up to be a full-fledged prog album in the way ITCotCK is... if JT didn't take things to the next level like Thick As A Brick, I'm sure they would have been lumped in the proto-prog category. But of course, you have to be super specific and accurate on the internet or people will just try to prove one little detail wrong without trying to read the rest of the post! Or maybe you all agree that prog just went downhill from 1969, in which case I respect your opinion, but I also think you're missing out.
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