The American Politics Thread

Atavachron wrote: BaldFriede wrote: I would like to mention something. The mere fact that the media find it noteworthy that Biden named a black woman as candidate for vice president is living proof that racism and sexism are still very much alive. If it were not neither her gender nor her skin colour would be worth mentioning. The worst thing about this is that most people are not even aware how incredibly racist and sexist this is. My mother was an active and important feminist all through the 60s, 70s, & 80s. You don't know what you're talking about.

You may want to think Kamala was chosen for her extrinsic qualities that the media focused on, or that even bumbly joe focused on, but Kamala has been a good attorney general and senator from a state big enough and complicated enough to be a country on its own, and that is why she was chosen.

Atavachron wrote: BaldFriede wrote: Atavachron wrote: BaldFriede wrote: I would like to mention something. The mere fact that the media find it noteworthy that Biden named a black woman as candidate for vice president is living proof that racism and sexism are still very much alive. If it were not neither her gender nor her skin colour would be worth mentioning. The worst thing about this is that most people are not even aware how incredibly racist and sexist this is. My mother was an active and important feminist all through the 60s, 70s, & 80s. You don't know what you're talking about. What does that have to do with the price of fish? I am not saying there should be no active feminism; on the contrary. What I am saying is that gender and the colour of skin should not matter at all in a decision about who should be vice president, just abilities, and that as long as it apparently does there is racism and sexism because why else would that be worth mentioning?  It reminds me of the anti-Affirmative Action stance: it's so easy to say "Hey you should hire someone because of ability and merit and that's all!"   Yeah, try telling that to a family whose mother ot father or child was given an otherwise out-of-reach opportunity, took what they knew was a rare chance, worked hard, and made more of themselves than they would otherwise in a workplace that was inherently racist.

If you think Kamala was chosen for any other reason than the fact that she was the best person for the job, i would like to know who would be a better choice.

let me pre-empt two for you:
Sanders: not a vp, pres or nothing for this guy.
Elizabeth warren; brilliant politician but too many mistakes on the campaign trail. The ill-advised attempt at native american heritage backfired in a huge way. Her "Im with Bernie" outburst was a huge mistake. Her medicaid for everyone and then retracting that statement was political suicide. She is not the cool campaigner that kamala is.

Can you name anyone more qualified and capable to be vp than kamala?

Edited by Easy Money - August 23 2020 at 17:44

^ Its obvious from this thread that it does matter to some people, but I still think Kamala is the best person for the job based on her achievements and campaign style.

Edited by Easy Money - August 23 2020 at 17:50

Suppose for a moment that it was always black women who ran the country, and now you, a white male, have been chosen as candidate for vice president. How would you feel about everyone making a big fuss about it? Would you not consider it to be condescending? I am certain you would.

I am not making a fuss about the choice of Kamala Harris. I am making a fuss about the media making a fuss about it with the emphasis on her being a black woman. That's a big difference.

^ To all this, I would agree with you that bumbly joe's initial announcement about who he was looking for was both condescending and pandering, but thats bumbly joe for you.
"Never underestimate Joe Biden's ability to f**k things up" - Barack Obama
The media leaped on this in the crassest way possible, but it still does not change the fact that Kamala really is the best qualified.

Edited by Easy Money - August 23 2020 at 20:40

BaldFriede wrote: Atavachron wrote: I think I see your point exactly, I just vehemently disagree.   You vehemently disagree? So you think gender or coulor of skin should matter?