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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2020 at 14:20
He's just a bully.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2020 at 14:28
So, apparently some woman named Karen(!) Bass has been named as a close contender for Biden's vice presidency.
Who? Never heard of her. Not once in many years now of following US politics. Someone to do with the Black Caucus, apparently. Considering all the high profile choices (Rice, Harris etc.), this seems, if it really comes to it, a typically democratic party dickhead move, taylormade to ward off all those pesky voters.
Am I wrong here and been living under a rock somehow?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2020 at 15:03
Part of it is that there is a strong contingent of advisors to Biden's campaign who don't want Harris.

Bass isn't well known. She is the head of the Congressional Black Caucus so has political clout. I wouldn't say it's a dickhead move, and she is as qualified as the others. Just a low profile person by nature, so it is a surprise. Part of the problem though is Dems trying to find a VP candidate that would be attacked the least by Trump's campaign. They shouldn't think that way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2020 at 15:07
Well, I'm sure the Ukraine can be persuaded to dig up some dirt on her for a small consideration Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2020 at 16:38
Why would they need to dig up dirt? They just make up crap and repeat it over and over. It seems to be an effective technique their flock easily consumes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2020 at 17:11

Here is the Trump administration in a nutshell:

Early on in the pandemic a national testing plan was devised, but it was scrapped because "The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy,"

You read that right. The Trump administration ignored the lives and health of American citizens because they lived in "blue states". The Trump administration is so inconceivably stupid, they've never read about any of the historic pandemics that have caused havoc with our species, and like imbeciles they are, thought the virus would somehow just remain in certain areas of the country.


Grandma and grandpa may be Republicans, but if they live in the wrong state, they're dead.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2020 at 17:37
Trump could just come out and say the N word right now and not lose a single supporter, they're a cult, plain and simple. Remember when we wore Obama hats and attended rallies during non election years? Me either. While the death toll hit 150,000, trump was promoting Goya black beans. He's now suggesting delaying the election, something we've never done, not even during the civil war. Make sure you and everybody you know whose capable vote.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2020 at 15:45
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Trump could just come out and say the N word right now and not lose a single supporter, they're a cult, plain and simple. Remember when we wore Obama hats and attended rallies during non election years? Me either. While the death toll hit 150,000, trump was promoting Goya black beans. He's now suggesting delaying the election, something we've never done, not even during the civil war. Make sure you and everybody you know whose capable vote.

None of that matters to his supporters though. Many of them acknowledge his shortcomings. All they seem to care about is the economy as if he had something to do with that. He did have something to do with how it is now because of the way he handled the coronavirus though. His supporters obviously have blinders on. 


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Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

Part of it is that there is a strong contingent of advisors to Biden's campaign who don't want Harris.

Bass isn't well known. She is the head of the Congressional Black Caucus so has political clout. I wouldn't say it's a dickhead move, and she is as qualified as the others. Just a low profile person by nature, so it is a surprise. Part of the problem though is Dems trying to find a VP candidate that would be attacked the least by Trump's campaign. They shouldn't think that way.

The other thing is Biden boxed himself in by putting himself out in front saying the VP pick would be a woman.  There's absolutely nothing wrong with choosing a woman but in an election as consequential as this, the BEST person should be chosen.  I think about how uncomfortable it would have been for Pence to debate Buttigieg, a gay man who served in the army.  When it comes to the top women picks, they have cancelled out Klobuchar because George Floyd, they are afraid Harris would alienate black people themselves because of her trigger happy record as Attorney General and they are wary of Susan Rice because she's a neo-con. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2020 at 04:00
I'm afraid that, although I agree with you, the choice of the best person for a job went out of the window a long time ago, together with the concept of the usefulness of experts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2020 at 08:39
getting there... so many talk about Trump only have 3 months to try to turn things around yet

the first votes will be cast.. next month...and in some of the most important battleground states. As was said earlier.. he has weeks to turn things around and not surprisingly..  those whose jobs are likely to sink with Trump are already starting to bail for he isn't and this last week was the final straw for some. Figured it would be August. .for early voting here starts in September and in 2020.. suspect more votes than ever will be cast early.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2020 at 12:02
Now it seems Trump crony Louis DeJoy is considering cutting service and shuttering locations in the postal service. If you receive your mail-in ballots early, make sure you mail them out early so that they count. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2020 at 14:58
^ I'll likely stick to the old ways... virus or not.. and vote in person.  I love my cute little goddamned 'I Voted' stickers too much...

oh...  not lost in the shuffle of Trump being Trump.. and the Republican Senate being... good for nothing but ramming judicial appointments through

anyone catch Obama's comments at Lewis's service.. 

bringing up good ol' Jim Crow haha..

yeah.. I'd say the tide has turned on that.. Sanders flipped on it.. and I suspect if he is nailed down on it..  Biden will go for it.   What I posted on earlier is exactly what can't happen in a post virus recovery.. Republicans getting in the way with their rigid and inflexible ideology which paralyses them when in power..they had months to come up with their own stimulus package. and didn't .. and when the deadline approached..  they still couldn't .. that was the death knell IMO for them keeping control of it.  You can't buy worse PR than that...  millions with benefits and protections cut..  yeah.. the only people listening to the attempts to blame Democrats for their own dysfunction are their own meathead supporters... 

and soon then out of power... and that rigidity and inflexibly and divorse from reality and real solutions...just leads to obstruction of other's ideas when not in power.

I give the filibuster two weeks come January before it is nuked... and I'll call my shot on exactly what will do it..  

DC statehood...  not many are going to care about Mitch and his crew getting locked out the legislative conversation. .but suspect they'll do it with a bill that pretty much other than Republicans support. Really is hard to argue against keeping Americans without proper representation in Congress.. either that or the voting rights act will be one of the first things out of the Democratic stable come January.. and Mitch will never go for either.. yet both hold vast amounts of non-Republican support.

and don't forget.. even if they didn't..  Americans showed in 2016 how little they really care about Senate norms and traditions.. and rewarded f**king the other party by not punishing Republicans for their power play on Merritt Garland.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2020 at 15:17
Forgive me as a Brit (and one who is actively involved in politics in the UK) for intruding on the personal grief of the people of the US as far as their politics is concerned, but perhaps someone could enlighten me on several things I've never quite understood:
1) Why do many Americans seem to regard the word liberal as an insult? I'm a Liberal Democrat and immensely proud of the word liberal.
2) Why in the name of God does the US have such a ridiculous system of an "Electoral College" to decide presidential elections? How can a sane system award victory to a person who loses by 3m votes nationally. (And the UK system is almost as dreadful).
3) Why has the US got a political system that almost completely excludes by its very structure any party but the Republicans and Democrats and hence prevents any political diversity whatsoever.
4)How can you have an impeachment system that should be totally based on legal considerations being decided by a partisan Senate?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2020 at 15:24
I get the feeling some people wouldn't be happy no matter who was running for president. You could have mother Teresa or the Pope running and they still wouldn't be happy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2020 at 15:50
I'll give it a rip...  Thumbs Up All IMO of course..
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Forgive me as a Brit (and one who is actively involved in politics in the UK) for intruding on the personal grief of the people of the US as far as their politics is concerned, but perhaps someone could enlighten me on several things I've never quite understood:

1) Why do many Americans seem to regard the word liberal as an insult? I'm a Liberal Democrat and immensely proud of the word liberal.

not that it really is anymore.. but it was for years..  the basis of that come into the strong nationalism and yes.. religious streak this country has.  Liberal was made to be synonymous not with the European notion of liberal.. but an American one.. one that smokes dope, makes trips to Hanoi, is weak on defense.. loves f**king commies.. and is weak on defense. Sound anarchistic?   You bet it is.. which is why it stopped being an effective insult years ago. It was a byproduct of 60's and 70's America not that the Right really pays attention to things like that... they tried in 2018 to tied Nancy and Chuck to the 'liberal' boogeyman and tried to scare voters but obviously that didn't fly at all.  It seems the Right has finally given up on that..  Liberal is not a insult.. or boogeyman anymore. Antifa and defunding police are the Right's latest attempt to find something that will stick and scare voters which is what that insult is all about if you cut to the chase. Not an insult.. but a scare tactic to motivate voters 

2) Why in the name of God does the US have such a ridiculous system of an "Electoral College" to decide presidential elections? How can a sane system award victory to a person who loses by 3m votes nationally. (And the UK system is almost as dreadful).

there is a long answer.. but I'll hit you with the short answer.  It is the system our founding fathers instituted because they feared the uneducated unwashed masses might elect someone completely unqualified or fall prey to some demagogue who might damage our fledgling nation.  Ironic? Oh yeah the f**king irony. For years .. hundreds of years.. it mutated from a protection of America and its institutions  to merely just a electoral mechanism.. one no better or worse than any other... and when after 200 plus years.. the actual fears of the Founding Fathers came to pass.. it was unable to do what it was intended to do. No one will sing its praises but chaning it will require an act of God.. ie a Constitutional Amendment and that is never going to happen. We are stuck with it.. but personally I have no problem with it.  

3) Why has the US got a political system that almost completely excludes by its very structure any party but the Republicans and Democrats and hence prevents any political diversity whatsoever.

because in this case.. we got this one right.. a two party system is best. Lest you get complete sh*t Parliamentary sh*t shows like you just saw in Israel or Italy for the last 70 years hahah.  I had this discussion some weeks ago with Jean.  So I'll keep it short.  There is a lot of diversity in one of our two parties..with room for differening ideologies ... there used to be in both..  the one that isn't.. is going to be a dead party in the next decade and will be replaced.. with one that surely will be not ideologically rigid but diverse in thoughts as well as membership.

4)How can you have an impeachment system that should be totally based on legal considerations being decided by a partisan Senate?

easy.. easiest answer yet. Impeachment is not a legal proceeding.. it never has been..it is a poltical proceeding. 

Impeachment is not based on law but politics. It is a political mechanism.. check and balance on power...not a legal one based upon the law   Many.. including myself believe Trump may have escaped political justice if you will.. but the wolves are laying in wait for him to leave office to exact legal justice on him.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2020 at 16:18
^ Superb answers .

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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ Superb answers .

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2020 at 17:28
Re the word 'liberal' becoming an insult: You can thank Dukakis for that. In the 1988 debates George Bush asked dukakis if he was a liberal as if it was an insult and Dukakis totally folded, just as he did for the rest of the campaign.

Anyone who knows how to debate would have owned the word and assertively defined it in a positive light. Its hard to imagine how Dukakis won any elections in Massachusetts. Once given the national spotlight, he blew an early lead and went totally limp.

EDIT: On a totally different train of thought, 'liberals' have undermined themselves by buying into superfluous 'culture war' nonsense that makes them come across as nitpicking bores with a superiority complex. This is the same smoke screen that has undermined the more intelligent end of the conservative perspective and pushed the conservative movement into old fashioned xenophobia. Rejecting superfluous media driven culture wars and sticking to core issues such as fair taxation and enforced responsibility for corporations marks the difference between a progressive and a liberal.

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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

I'll give it a rip...  Thumbs Up All IMO of course..
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Forgive me as a Brit (and one who is actively involved in politics in the UK) for intruding on the personal grief of the people of the US as far as their politics is concerned, but perhaps someone could enlighten me on several things I've never quite understood:

1) Why do many Americans seem to regard the word liberal as an insult? I'm a Liberal Democrat and immensely proud of the word liberal.

not that it really is anymore.. but it was for years..  the basis of that come into the strong nationalism and yes.. religious streak this country has.  Liberal was made to be synonymous not with the European notion of liberal.. but an American one.. one that smokes dope, makes trips to Hanoi, is weak on defense.. loves f**king commies.. and is weak on defense. Sound anarchistic?   You bet it is.. which is why it stopped being an effective insult years ago. It was a byproduct of 60's and 70's America not that the Right really pays attention to things like that... they tried in 2018 to tied Nancy and Chuck to the 'liberal' boogeyman and tried to scare voters but obviously that didn't fly at all.  It seems the Right has finally given up on that..  Liberal is not a insult.. or boogeyman anymore. Antifa and defunding police are the Right's latest attempt to find something that will stick and scare voters which is what that insult is all about if you cut to the chase. Not an insult.. but a scare tactic to motivate voters 

2) Why in the name of God does the US have such a ridiculous system of an "Electoral College" to decide presidential elections? How can a sane system award victory to a person who loses by 3m votes nationally. (And the UK system is almost as dreadful).

there is a long answer.. but I'll hit you with the short answer.  It is the system our founding fathers instituted because they feared the uneducated unwashed masses might elect someone completely unqualified or fall prey to some demagogue who might damage our fledgling nation.  Ironic? Oh yeah the f**king irony. For years .. hundreds of years.. it mutated from a protection of America and its institutions  to merely just a electoral mechanism.. one no better or worse than any other... and when after 200 plus years.. the actual fears of the Founding Fathers came to pass.. it was unable to do what it was intended to do. No one will sing its praises but chaning it will require an act of God.. ie a Constitutional Amendment and that is never going to happen. We are stuck with it.. but personally I have no problem with it.  

3) Why has the US got a political system that almost completely excludes by its very structure any party but the Republicans and Democrats and hence prevents any political diversity whatsoever.

because in this case.. we got this one right.. a two party system is best. Lest you get complete sh*t Parliamentary sh*t shows like you just saw in Israel or Italy for the last 70 years hahah.  I had this discussion some weeks ago with Jean.  So I'll keep it short.  There is a lot of diversity in one of our two parties..with room for differening ideologies ... there used to be in both..  the one that isn't.. is going to be a dead party in the next decade and will be replaced.. with one that surely will be not ideologically rigid but diverse in thoughts as well as membership.

4)How can you have an impeachment system that should be totally based on legal considerations being decided by a partisan Senate?

easy.. easiest answer yet. Impeachment is not a legal proceeding.. it never has been..it is a poltical proceeding. 

Impeachment is not based on law but politics. It is a political mechanism.. check and balance on power...not a legal one based upon the law   Many.. including myself believe Trump may have escaped political justice if you will.. but the wolves are laying in wait for him to leave office to exact legal justice on him.


Over to you guys.

Thank you. Enlightening. Before you ask, I think the political system in the UK is mad as well.
The only thing I'd take issue on is that 2 parties are best. I certainly wouldn't want to see the ridiculous number there are in countries like Italy, where coalitions are based on many parties working together and hence very fragile, but the best government we've had for a long time was a coalition which was in power from 2010 to 2015.
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